Thank you Dan,

I am sure that explanation was perfect. But I passed first part, because it
is clear what adverb is: some kind of high order function.
The most important for me was explanation how J process expression in this
case.

Regards,

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM, bob therriault <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> You explain things beautifully in your medium of choice (but I would
> hardly think of you as stuck in text) and if you do want to add some other
> media at some point, let me know.
>
> I think that your related pet peeve is a result of media not matching its
> audience. You want a sound bite, but you are given a lecture. If you
> combined a series of short videos to be displayed beside text, you would
> have structured the sound bites to a form that would be closer to your
> needs. In the text world, you might consider this related to the effect of
> white space on the structure of your writing. It is a matter of packaging
> more than a matter of content, but it can affect comprehension and
> retention.
>
> I believe Ian Clark was pushing for this in the short animations he was
> using in new vocab a few years ago.
>
>  http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NuVoc   with
> http://www.youtube.com/v/aTRONIqXFVI  as an example of a short form video
>
> In any case, your ability to explain is a valuable commodity in the world
> of J (or any other programming language). I look forward to your future
> contributions.
>
> Cheers, bob
>
> On 2013-06-13, at 10:45 AM, Dan Bron wrote:
>
> > Yes, I remember your video series warmly.  Personally, I'm stuck in the
> text age.  I don't have the tools or ambition to go multimedia.
> >
> > (And a related pet peeve is when I click through a news story or other
> link and am presented with a video, which can only be scanned linearly, as
> opposed to text, which is random access.)
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of bob therriault
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:09 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Jchat] "|value error: m | x m write_jpeg y" - what???
> >
> > Great explanation Dan,
> >
> > A couple of years ago I put this video together about the adverb '~'  .
> >
> > http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/those-tricky-adverbs/
> >
> > Let me know if you have any interest in developing your explanations
> into a more multimedia mode. I don't have huge amounts of time (and it does
> take some time), but I do enjoy doing this stuff.
> >
> > Cheers, bob
> >
> > On 2013-06-13, at 9:48 AM, Dan Bron wrote:
> >
> >> Alexander Epifanov wrote:
> >>> but I did not understand what is the different, I mean how it works
> >>> if it is adverb.
> >>
> >> To understand this error, we must first discuss what adverbs are, how
> >> they behave, and how they differ from verbs.  So let's start there.
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> Adverbs are a different class, or order, of words than verbs.  In
> >> particular, they have higher grammatical precedence than verbs, and so
> >> gobble up any suitable arguments lying around before verbs can even
> >> see them.  Conjunctions are in this same high-precedence class, but
> >> whereas adverbs only take one argument (on the left), conjunctions
> >> take two (one on the left, the other on the right).  You can think of
> >> adverbs and conjunctions as higher-order analogs to monadic and dyadic
> >> verbs
> >> respectively.*
> >>
> >> Adverbs are called adverbs because they normally modify verbs: that
> >> is, in typical use, they accept a verb argument and produce verb
> >> result, which is related in some (consistent) way to the argument.
> >> The most famous example is  /  :
> >>
> >>         +/ 2 3 4  NB.  Sum of data (Σ s[i])
> >>         */ 2 3 4  NB.  Product of data  (Π s[i])
> >>         ^/ 2 3 4  NB.  Tetration ("power tower") of data
> >>
> >> Here, / takes a dyad (two-argument verb) as an argument, and produces
> >> a monad (one-argument verb)*.  The output is related to the input in
> >> the following sense: when the output verb is provided an noun, it
> >> inserts the input verb between each pair of items in the noun, such
> that:
> >>
> >>         +/ 2 3 4  is  2+3+4
> >>         */ 2 3 4  is  2*3*4
> >>         ^/ 2 3 4  is  2^3^4  NB. Note: J executes right-to-left, so this
> >> is 2^(3^4)
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >>         +/ 2 3 4 , 5 6 7 ,: 8 9 10
> >> is:
> >>         2  3  4
> >>            +
> >>         5  6  7
> >>            +
> >>         8  9 10
> >>
> >> which, because + is rank 0 (scalar), is:
> >>
> >>         2  3  4
> >>         +  +  +
> >>         5  6  7
> >>         +  +  +
> >>         8  9 10
> >>
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> But bear in mind that taking verb arguments and deriving
> >> (consistently) related verbal results is only the typical case for an
> >> adverb.  Adverbs can also take a noun for an argument (an
> >> "adjective"); the most common example is  }  , which normally takes a
> >> noun argument specifying which indices the derived verb should modify
> (when it, itself, is applied to nouns):
> >>
> >>         putFirst        =:    0}
> >>         putLast         =:   _1}
> >>         putFirstAndLast =: 0 _1}
> >>
> >>         '*' putFirst '12345'
> >>      *2345
> >>         '*' putLast 'ABCDE'
> >>      ABCD*
> >>         '*' putFirstAndLast 'ABCDE'
> >>      *BCD*
> >>
> >> So adverbs can take verbs or nouns as inputs, and normally produce
> >> verbs as outputs.  But adverbs are not restricted to verbal output;
> >> they can produce anything, including verbs, nouns, and even other
> adverbs and conjunctions.
> >> Primitive adverbs which produce non-verb results are unusual
> >> (primitive conjunctions are a little more diverse in this regard), but
> >> they exist.  For example, when the adverb ~ is applied to a string, it
> >> treats the string in as a name and evokes it, such that  'someName'~
> >> is equivalent to  someName . Therefore ~ can produce anything at all:
> >>
> >>         someNoun =: 42
> >>         someVerb =: +
> >>         someAdverb =: /
> >>         someConjunction =: @
> >>
> >>         'someNoun'~
> >>      42
> >>         'someVerb'~
> >>      +
> >>         'someAdverb'~
> >>      /
> >>         'someConjunction'~
> >>      @
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course user-defined adverbs will produce anything they're defined
> >> to produce, so you can't know what they'll do without reading the
> >> definition or documentation.  That said, user-defined adverbs tend to
> >> follow the same patterns as primitive adverbs: they're almost always
> >> abstractions over verbs which produce verb results; sometimes they
> >> take noun arguments and/or produce noun results, and only very rarely
> >> do they produce other adverbs or conjunctions.
> >>
> >> Ok, with that as a background, we're ready to discuss write_image and
> >> the error you observed.
> >>
> >> ---------------
> >>
> >> The word write_image falls into this "user defined adverb" category.
> >> The reason it was defined as an adverb instead of a verb is so that it
> >> can accept up to 3 arguments (filename, data to write, and a set of
> >> options like image quality or scaling), whereas if it were defined as
> >> a verb, it could accept no more than two arguments.  Meaning if
> >> write_image had been defined as a verb, it would have to find some way
> >> to pack two arguments into a single noun, and unpack them inside the
> >> definition, which can sometimes lead to convoluted code.  Keeping it
> >> as an adverb with three distinct arguments is very clear and clean.
> >>
> >> But it does stymie attempts to use it like a verb, as you discovered.
> >> In particular, when you embedded it in
> >>
> >>      (('small/'&, (write_image)~ ((3 3)&resize_image)@:read_image)@:>) i
> >>
> >> , its higher grammatical priority caused the adverb to seek out an
> >> argument immediately, and since the verb 'small/'&, was on its left
> >> and suitable (because verbs are perfectly acceptable arguments for
> >> adverbs), the result was that write_image bound with 'small/'&, .
> >> Now, the specific coding style** of write_image prevented it from
> >> being executed immediately (if it'd been executed, you'd know it,
> >> because you would have gotten an error: write_image is expecting data
> >> [a noun] as an argument, not a verb like 'small/'&,), but it also
> >> allowed the J interpreter to infer that when it is executed, it will
> produce a verb.
> >>
> >> So write_image woke up, looked around for an argument, found
> >> 'small/'&, , bound with it, and though it didn't actually execute, the
> >> J interpreter knew its product would be a verb.  Knowing this, J
> >> proceeded parsing the sentence, found another verb ((3
> >> 3)&resize_image)@:read_image)@:>, and hit a close paren.  Since it had
> >> found two verbs in isolation (nestled inside a cozy pair of parens),
> >> it interpreted the train as a hook.  This is really no different from
> >> the sentence (%~ i.) 10  where ~ immediately binds to %, the product of
> that binding and i. form a hook.
> >>
> >> After forming the hook, the interpreter it hit the noun  i  and applied
> the
> >> hook as  ('small/'&,write_image~    3 3&resize_image@:read_image)@:>
>  i .
> >> The interpreter executed 3 3 resize_image read_image > i and got a
> result.
> >> Up to this point, everything was fine.  But now it came time to use
> >> the results it had calculated, and actually execute  write_image .
> >> That's where the problem occurred: and it was exactly the error I
> >> mentioned earlier, that the interpreter avoided by deferring the
> >> execution of write_image (you can delay the inevitable, but you can't
> avoid it).
> >>
> >> That adverb was written expecting that its argument be a noun, and
> >> refers to m, which is the name for the noun argument to an adverb (or
> conjunction).
> >> But given how you expressed your sentence, in this case argument to
> >> write_image was a verb:  'small/'&,  .  Therefore m (the name for a
> >> noun argument to an adverb) was undefined, yet write_image tried to
> >> use it anyway.
> >>
> >> J calls the use of undefined names a "value error".   This is the same
> error
> >> as when you type
> >>
> >>         someNameIHaventDefinedYet
> >>      |value error: someNameIHaventDefinedYet
> >>
> >> in the session manager.
> >>
> >> But a closer analogy is the value error you'd get if you tried to use
> >> x (which names a left argument) in a monadic verb which only has a
> >> right
> >> argument:
> >>
> >>         monad def 'x + y' 4
> >>      |value error: x
> >>      |       x+y
> >>
> >> You get a value error because x is undefined, and x is undefined
> >> because monadic (valences of) verbs don't have the concept of a left
> >> argument: x is literally meaningless.
> >>
> >> Similarly, when write_image referred to the noun argument m, the J
> >> interpreter balked: "What noun argument? Your argument is a verb,
> >> 'small/'&, .  I don't know what you're talking about." .  The name for
> >> the
> >> (non-existent) noun argument to write_image, m, was literally
> meaningless.
> >> All because adverbs have higher precedence than verbs and can accept
> >> verbs as well as nouns as arguments.
> >>
> >> Well, actually, because Cliff decided to define write_image as an
> >> adverb so he could have three separate arguments, without boxing.  I
> >> know that's a lot to digest.  I'm not known for my laconic style (cf
> >> Roger Hui), but I hope this helps.
> >>
> >> -Dan
> >>
> >> *  Technically, all verbs in J are ambivalent; that is, they can be
> >> called with either one argument (on the right) or two arguments (one
> >> on the right, and one on the left).  The words "monad"/"monadic" and
> >> "dyad"/"dyadic" are just shorthand for the "one-argument valence of
> >> the verb" and "the two argument valence of the verb" respectively.
> >>
> >> Note that some valences of some verbs have empty domains, such as the
> >> dyad ~. or the monad E. or the monad 4 : 'x + y' etc.  That doesn't
> >> mean the valence doesn't exist; it does exist, but it rejects all
> >> arguments (a generalization of the concept that e.g. + rejects any
> >> argument that's not a number).
> >>
> >> Now adverbs and conjunctions (collectively called operators) are
> >> analogous to the monadic and dyadic valence of a verb respectively,
> >> but it is exactly because of their higher grammatical precedence that
> >> there is no operator analog to an ambivalent verb.  That is, there is
> >> no operator that can take either one argument or two arguments.
> >> Operators' higher binding power requires that we treat these cases
> >> separately - and, incidentally, is the reason adverbs (monadic
> >> operators) take their argument from the left, as opposed to monadic
> verbs which take their argument from the right.
> >>
> >> ** The specific coding style that allowed the J interpreter to
> >> conclude write_image would produce a verb without actually executing
> >> it was that it mentioned x and y - which, by definition, refer to the
> >> noun arguments to an explicit verb.  Therefore write_image must
> >> produce an explicit verb, and x and y refer to /its/ arguments.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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