> Or
>
> ((Score-Penalty1)-Penalty2)
>

Sorry the last example was meant to be

Score - (Penalty1+Penalty2)

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Joe Bogner <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Roger. It was a good read
>
> This part caught my eye:
>
> "The question of the efficacy of the common convention in reducing the
> need for parentheses will now be addressed. Any convention will reduce
> the need for parentheses, but the important question is how the common
> convention compares in this respect with other conventions, and in
> particular with the notation used in this text."
>
> How can this be applied to my subtraction issue? At the risk of
> sounding silly, is there any reasonable way to change the equation to
> read from right to left without parentheses?
>
> Maybe this?
>
> 70 -: ({. - +/@}.) (100,10,20)
>
> Or maybe it's more logical to think of it as
>
> Score subtract (Penalty1,Penalty2)
>
> where subtract is
>
> Score ([ - +/@]) (Penalty1,Penalty2)
>
> Either seem better than
>
> ((Score-Penalty1)-Penalty2)
>
> Or
>
> ((Score-Penalty1)-Penalty2)
>
> Each may have more parentheses than desired
>
> I realize this is subjective, but I'm interested in opinions on what
> notation is closest to thought in this example
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Roger Hui <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Perhaps an improved understanding of the inconsistencies of conventional
>> notation would help?  Iverson, Conventions Governing Order of Evaluation
>> <http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/EvalOrder.htm>, 1966.
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Joe Bogner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a very silly bug in one of my programs today.
>>>
>>> I had the following expression:
>>>
>>> Total=: Score - Penalty1 - Penalty2
>>>
>>> Imagine the following:
>>>
>>> Score=:100
>>> Penalty1=:10
>>> Penalty2=:20
>>> [ Total=: Score - Penalty1 - Penalty2
>>> 110
>>>
>>> I would have expected 70 with my left to right brain, not 110
>>>
>>> Does anyone have tips on avoiding these bugs in the future or how to
>>> context switch between associative rules (jumping between Excel and J for
>>> example) ?
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll just train my brain to look out for double subtraction and turn
>>> it into Score - (Penalty1 + Penalty2)
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