The GreenArrays chips look very interesting.

They claim that it would not be difficult to support C.  Consequently, a
version of J would run either directly or indirectly; then again, that is
easy to say if one is Chuck Moore.

The evaluation kit seems affordable; but, I am afraid, the development cost
(as usual) would be the dominant part (and some of their documents look
dated).


On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

> Short form: a variant of J would probably be ideal for real time work.
>
> Long form:
>
> When I look at the design of APl and J, what I see are a variety of
> concepts of primitives with fairly understandable costs grafted onto a
> framework which was designed to neglect costs.
>
> And, certainly, both approaches have advantages.
>
> Meanwhile, a variety of factors favor us specializing and working with
> abstractions. But all abstractions leak and all specializations are
> limited.
>
> But, also, now that the internet is international it's exposed to both
> a bulk of users without any technical understanding but also a
> collection of abusive users who have deep technical understanding.
> Which leads into exploits like rowhammer (which use timing, lots of
> computing time, and physical limitations of memory chips to bypass
> protections built into the processor). This particular example is
> difficult to detect because our systems are designed to neglect "real
> time" issues.
>
> Meanwhile, most heavy uses of computer systems involve real time media
> - audio, video, interactive games, etc.
>
> Also, some of the major advances in computing are in areas like GPUs.
> These have architectures which are vaguely similar to an APL or J
> architecture, but hardware limitations impose some arbitrary
> constraints of the sort which are usually glorified by type systems.
>
> So... anyways... inertia is probably going to continue to carry us in
> similar directions. We are creatures of habit and there are a lot of
> us.
>
> But this means that something "J-like but not J" is probably going to
> matter a lot.
>
> In somewhat tangential news, there's some really painful color choices
> that some of the people working in these areas tend to favor:
>
> http://www.cosy.com/
> https://colorforth.github.io/
>
> This one isn't too hard on the eyes, though, I guess:
>
> http://www.greenarraychips.com/
>
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>
> Anyways... food for thought... though perhaps not the most digestible
> food...
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Raul
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