Homo Sapiens seems to have a rather more diverse membership than I had previously realized.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/counting-wildlife-numbers-honeybees Thanks, --- Raul On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:52 PM Roger Hui <[email protected]> wrote: > > > As for who invented the integers (the positive counting ones anyone). That > > happened so long ago that the creators may not have been "technically" > homo sapiens. > > Oh, if they invented the integers that immediately "qualifies" them as homo > sapiens. No doubt about it. > > I have read that God invented the integers; all the rest (of mathematics) > were man-made. I have also read speculation about aliens species (in some > liquid environment?) which first invented a continuous measure and only > later (if ever) developed integers. > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 9:33 AM John Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good points Roger. There's no decision procedure here. > > > > I was basing my choice on how long The Elements has been in use > > and how many people it has influenced and still does. Gauss, Newton > > and Einstein were all influenced by the Elements. One of the prize > > objects in a Cambridge library is Newton's heavily > > margin noted version of the Elements. Apparently he converted > > the entire treatise into algebra as he read it. > > > > As for who invented the integers (the positive counting ones anyone). That > > happened so long ago > > that the creators may not have been "technically" homo sapiens. > > > > Cheers > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:56 AM Roger Hui <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > By that standard Euclid would be a clear winner ... > > > > > > Not without a debate. In this context, Gauss and Riemann, the final > > > inventors of non-Euclidean geometry, represent good candidates. It is > > not > > > that they "overthrew" Euclid but that after 2000+ years they extended > > > understanding of Euclidean geometry. > > > > > > If earliest is greatest, we can try to find whoever invented the integers > > > and say that his/her/their legacy was the greatest. > > > > > > An analogy in physics is Newton and Einstein. Newton was great, of > > course, > > > but Einstein extended understanding of Newtonian physics and placed it > > in a > > > larger, richer context. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 5:16 PM John Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Brian thanks for the Ellenberg link. Roger’s point about the legacy of > > > > ideas is good too. By that standard Euclid would be a clear winner it’s > > > > hard to think of any other work, mathematical or otherwise that has > > > > exercised such a huge influence over more than two thousand years. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2021, at 17:48, Jose Mario Quintana < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ibn Sina (Avicenna) has an entry at, > > > > > > > > > > Avicenna (980 - 1037) - Biography - MacTutor History of Mathematics > > > > > (st-andrews.ac.uk) > > > > > <https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Avicenna/> > > > > > > > > > > and his mausoleum is not unimpressive (take your time), > > > > > > > > > > Avicenna Mausoleum - موزه ابوعلی سینا *NO ANY REUSED NOR THIRD-PARTY > > > > > CONTENT INCLUDED* - YouTube > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPMcGtLtTdk&t=233s> > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, he provided a forceful and persuasive argument > > supporting > > > > the > > > > > law of noncontradiction, > > > > > > > > > > Quote by Avicenna: “Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction > > ...” > > > > > (goodreads.com) > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/706107-anyone-who-denies-the-law-of-non-contradiction-should-be-beaten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 11:08 PM greg heil <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> i suppose this is a bit political;-) > > > > >> my nomination would be > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.westminster-abbey.org/abbey-commemorations/commemorations/paul-dirac > > > > >> > > > > >> ~greg heil > > > > >> https//picsrp.github.io > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> > > > > >> from: Donna Ydreos <[email protected]> > > > > >> date: Aug 14, 2021, 8:03 PM > > > > >> subject: Re: [Jchat] Most Impressive Mathematician Gravesite. > > > > >> > > > > >>> When Cicero found Archimedes’ tomb in Syracuse: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.labrujulaverde.com/en/2019/03/when-cicero-found-archimedes-tomb-in-syracuse > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> > > > > >> from: Joey K Tuttle <[email protected]> > > > > >> date: Aug 14, 2021, 7:43 PM > > > > >> subject: Re: [Jchat] Most Impressive Mathematician Gravesite. > > > > >> > > > > >> The most impressive one I’ve seen is Issac Newton in Westminster > > Abby. > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> > > > > >> from: John Baker <[email protected]> > > > > >> to: Chat forum <[email protected]> > > > > >> date: Aug 14, 2021, 5:52 PM > > > > >> subject: [Jchat] Most Impressive Mathematician Gravesite. > > > > >> > > > > >>> Here’s a little question that draws a blank on Google. What famous > > > > >> mathematician has the most impressive gravesite? Any figure from any > > > > era of > > > > >> world history is allowed > > > > >> . > > > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > >> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > -- > > John D. 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