I think that this was theoretical news report that "could" happen. Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron P > Ingebrigtsen > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License) > > > > On Wed, 2 May 2001 23:31:25 +1200 "David McNab" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > > D. McNab is compelled > > > to move to Colorado, where he's made to do punitive labor putting > > > "Keep this Bag Away From Small Children" onto plastic > > Piggly-Wiggly > > > bags. > > > > This is one thing that Rebirthing and Freenet have in common - they > > both > > strive to restore power to the individual, and incur wrath of > > powers-that-be > > along the way. Reaction to the Colorado incident is > testament to the > > power > > of the media. Why? Because the 'therapy' used was not even > > Rebirthing - it > > was a bizarre form of psychodrama. Rebirthing encourages strong > > free > > breathing, it doesn't stifle it. To call the Colorado incident > > Rebirthing is > > like saying that Freenet is a joint project between RIAA, BSA, > > Doubleclick > > and Radiate. But, thanks to inaccurate reporting, the state of > > Colorado has > > made it an offense for anyone to recommend the use of Rebirthing, > > let alone > > administer it. > > Well I know nothing about this incident or rebirthing, but I > think that > you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you are > not hurting > anyone else. Period. So if rebirthing is somehow harmfull to people, > which I doubt, then people should be educated about it's effects and > anyone forcing people to use or practice it should be arrested and > charged with abuse of some kind. Otherwise, leave people > alone. If you > want to drive without a seat belt, stupid though it may be, > go ahead. If > you die becuase of your stupidity, so much the better for the > rest of the > species. If you learn from your mistake and get smarter so much the > better for the species. Forceing stupid people to not do > stupid things > isn't going to work. Forcing people to do what some bigshot thinks is > smart isn't going to work either. Just leave everyone alone!! > > > > > It's chilling to contemplate the devastation that could be > caused by > > an > > orchestrated media campaign. Consider... > > > > "Jail Inevitable for Freenet Child Porn Hacker" > > REUTERS - Los Angeles, October 18: > > Freenet activist Fred Bloggs admitted in court today that he could > > not rule > > out the presence of child pornography on his hard disk, including > > images of > > children as young as three being sexually molested and mutilated. > > Duh!! > > > Counsel for the accused claimed that his client is oblivious to the > > nature > > of the files in the Freenet datastore on his disk, since the files > > are > > encrypted and he lacks the decryption keys. But on > cross-examination > > by > > prosecution, Bloggs was unable to prove that he had never possessed > > the > > decryption keys. > > The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the > deffendant. What they > hell is going on here?! Your not supposed to prove your > innocence, they > are supposed to prove your guilt. And lack of proof against > is not proof > for, or vise versa. Whatever happened to Innocent Until > Proven Guilty!!! > WHAT THE HELL?!!!!!!! Lack of proof that you do not have > the decryption > keys is not proof that you had or have the decryption keys. WHAT THE > HELL?!!!!! > > > But what stunned legal observers was the report of a technical > > analysis of > > the accused's system. Software engineering consultants acting for > > the > > prosecution installed the accused's computer into a small > Local Area > > Network > > (LAN), and installed the Freenet software with empty data stores on > > all the > > other computers. > > Upon typing a short character sequence into the other computers, > > the > > Yeah right. Since when is anything on freenet a "short character > sequence"? Please, they are obviosly lying here, they are totaly > railroading this poor freenet user. ARGH!!!!!!! Even if all > you want to > do is request hello.txt you have to type something like "frequest > hello.txt hello.txt" which isn't a short sequence. A short sequence > would be something like "dir" or something. And also how could you > request a whole bunch of files off of freenet with only a > short character > sequence? I bet what they did is they grabbed the entire keylist from > Steve's Key List, put it all into a batch file called "get.bat" or > something and that is what they typed to show how to download > all these > files. > > > consultants' computers downloaded 1800 megabytes of data from the > > accused's > > system, then proceeded to show graphic movies, including one of a 5 > > year old > > girl being brutally raped by several men. All members of the jury > > were > > clearly horrified as these movies were played in court. > > Why do these files need to be played in court? So what if > there happens > to be some really horrible crap on this guy's node. > > Even if he did download these files, what proof is there that > he created > these files, or that the creators of these files proffited > financialy in > any way from the transfer? NONE!!!! So he might have a sick mind, so > what?! You should be able to do anything or think anything > you want to > as long as you are not hurting anyone else. And I have not seen how > downloading porn hurts anyone but yourself!!! Paying for the porn is > another thing entirely. By transfering funds you would actualy be > helping to cause the abuse of the individuls depicted in the > files. But > what if these files are completely computer generated?! What > then? Who > is being hurt in any way shape or form by the creation or > trade of such > sexualy explicit files? NO ONE!!! GRRRRAAAGH!!!! > > And yes it IS possible to create a VERY realistic computer > animation that > is so realistic that guys can actualy get sexualy aroused by it. > Absolutely. Computer generated animation is getting more and more > realistic and more and more complex. There are magazines today with > totaly computer generated women on their covers, and people > are haveing > trouble telling the difference between the computer generated > women and > real women. > > > The consultants also reported that several hundred files had been > > deleted > > from the accused's system in the days leading to the arrest, and > > that it was > > clearly possible that these files, now overwritten, had contained > > decryption > > keys necessary to provide the accused with full access to the > > datastore. > > How is this clearly possible? Anything is possible if you don't know > what the file is. If the files were overwriten, how did they > know they > existed? Unless the data wasn't completely destroyed in the process. > Like maybe Undelete had some info about them stored > somewhere. And if he > didn't know he was going be arrested for a crime, how can > deleting files > be an automatic offense against the law?!! WHAT THE HELL?!! Proof of > files haveing been deleted is NOT proof that those files contained > decryption keys!!! AAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!! > > > Counsel for the accused objected vehemently to this manoever, > > demanding that > > these consultants reveal where they obtained the decryption keys. > > This is a VERY good argument. How the hell did they > supposedly download > these files? How is this proof actualy being gathered? It > is more than > possible for them to very easily tamper with and even plant > evidence to > support thier case. What kind of system of checks and balances is in > place to keep this from happening?! > > > This > > objection was however overruled, and struck from the trial > > transcript. > > The jury is now in deliberation. > > This is total crap. This is a kangaroo court and this guy is getting > railroaded!!! > > I am very angry about this, as you can see. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > _______________________________________________ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
