On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:12:39 +1200 "David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> > I just saw a 20/20 episode last night about rebirthing and it
> talked
> > about how a little girl died in a terrible accedint during the
> rebirthing
> > therapy.
>
> Here's an interesting study into society and human habits of
> perception.
>
> Firstly, one thing the media will never tell you is that the fatal
> incident
> was *NOT* accepted rebirthing therapy. Calling it rebirthing is
> like
> referring to decapitation as accepted medical practice.
Well that is a HUGE relief. But you can understand why those
practitioners called it "Rebirthing" right? I mean, what they are doing
is wrong, IMHO, but I understand why they call it that. They are putting
a little kid, curled up in a fetal position, in a blanket which is wraped
completely around her/him and held shut at one end, forming a kind of
sack, then four adults with four large pillows push and lean on this
little child for a while, who knows how long. Then they say, "Do you
want to be born now little baby?" or something and they open up the
closed end and out emerges the "baby" into her/his "mother's" arms. This
is supposedly supposed to help create a bond between child and parent
that wasn't there before and was in danger of never developing at all.
I can understand the need for an adoptive parent to create a bond with
thier adopted children, but this method is by far much too dangerous and
should be condemed. It should not be called by the same name that David
McNab's organization uses, it would be like calling the two different
sects of the LDS church the exact same name. It would be an insult to
both parties.
I am a member of one of those two sects, and disagree a great deal with
the members of the other sect, but I am not going to be rude and flame
them. Their church is called The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ
of Later-Day Saints, I think. It might have another name, but thats the
one I think describes that particular offshoot of my particular sect.
Anyway, this therapy that those practitioners were useing may be a
deviant offshoot of the original version of Rebirthing and should not in
any way be called the exact same name, because confusion would result.
> In cases where doctors commit gross misconduct, and kill their
> patients,
> society comes down hard on the individual doctor, and doesn't blame
> the
> profession.
>
> But with less established treatment modalities, if one practitioner
> commits
> misconduct, then society comes down on the profession as a whole.
> All this
> falls into the category of 'neophobia' - fear of what is truly new.
I agree completely. One so-called mormon family who happens to be
polygamists make people think that All mormons are polygamists, which is
by far NOT true. I for one don't see anything wrong with multiple wives
or multiple husbands as long as it is not an abusive relationship and is
a loveing and supportive relationship. I don't think there should be any
laws against polygamy in any way. There should be laws against lying,
cheating, stealing, and abuseing, which all might happen when a man has
more than one wife, but polygamy should not be blamed for all of these
terrible things. Any marriage or relationship can be abusive, no matter
what the surcumstances.
And Cancema, an actual cure for cancer which my mother has used to cure
her cancer, is shunned by the medical community and the people who make
it are forced to not suggest that this stuff DOES ACTUALLY WORK!!! I
KNOW for a fact that it works, and I'll tell anyone anywhere the truth,
no matter the consequenses.
And if rebirthing therapy works as well as David sais it does, and I'm
starting to believe he is right because I have come to trust him, then
I'm probably going to try it out and see for myself. What harm could it
possibly do? NONE. What harmfull side-effects are there in many if not
most of the therapies and drugs used by the medical community? There so
many really bad side-effects that I can't list them all. Anything from a
slight headache to DEATH occurs because of the crap those people push on
thier patients.
> The basic fact of the incident is that it *was not* rebirthing. The
> practitioners departed totally from what is accepted rebirthing
> technique.
Well that is good to hear. I would say that they need a good swift kick
to the head, but they are probably just going to go to prison for a
while.
> It's sad to note that the police investigators, legislators and
> media did
> not even bother to consult the extensive literature available. It's
> abhorrent that they didn't even bother to talk to one of the scores
> of
> medical practitioners who now use the rebirthing technicue. If they
> had,
> they would have recognised that the death was not caused by
> rebirthing, but
> by a desperate and criminal departure from that technique.
> Rebirthing
> encourages a fullness of breathing - to imagine a so-called
> 'rebirthing'
> session where breathing is inhibited in any way is like imagining a
> pub with
> no beer, or a celibate brothel - it's a total contradiction.
Ok, I get that, it is well understood to me now that rebirthing is a
reliving of a memory buried deep under the subconcios instead of a
reenactment of the process. This version of rebirthing is much safer and
much better. :)
> Rebirthing clients who consult my wife and I have either laughed or
> expressed extreme offence at the total inaccuracy and ignorance of
> the media
> coverage. They have speculated that medical authorities in Colorado
> were for
> many years feeling threatened by the success of rebirthing in
> addressing a
> whole raft of human conditions - psychological, emotional and even
> physical - and for years have been looking for something to 'pin' on
> the
> profession.
Well they have something now, though any logical analysis of this
evidence would PROVE beyond any shadow of a doubt that this incedent had
NOTHING to do with the REAL rebirthing therapy.
> Other rebirthing clients have said "This [rebirthing] is like
> 'taking the
> red pill' [in The Matrix]".
Cool, I want to go through the looking glass, I want to take that red
pill. To heck with reality as I know it, it sucks anyway.
> My wife first got interested in the process 25 years ago, seeking
> relief for
> chronic debilitating epilepsy and diabetes. After years of
> unsuccesful
> treatment with the finest medical specialists, and the most
> reputable
> alternatives, she visited a psychologist, on a friend's
> recommendation, as a
> last resort. This psychologist was not practicing mainstream
> psychology as
> he was taught - instead he was administering a basic form of
> rebirthing
> therapy. Within a few short weeks, by wife's health cleared up
> completely.
> She has since been completely free of all epilepsy, all diabetes,
> doesn't
> need any medication and never consults doctors.
Awesome!! :) Now if only I could learn all of the rebirthing techniques
and therapy methods without haveing to pay for anything. Then I would be
really impressed. :) Most of those quacks out there who claim to know
how to make the body heal itself force you to pay them hundreds of
dollars for THEIR therapy sessions, or for training on how to do it
yourself. I concider that behavior to be a contradiction. If you want
to help people, but charge Incredible amounts of money for helping them,
then you are really only hurting more people than you are helping. Why?
Because there are far more people who can't afford your fees than those
who can.
> That psychologist was at that time using rooms in a medical centre.
> Doctors
> sent their patients to him for counselling, and got extremely pissed
> off
> when the clients, with their physical conditions now healed, no
> longer
> required medical treatment. The psychologist was evicted from the
> medical
> centre and run out of town.
What a crock. Obviosly they don't give a DAMN about thier pateints and
only care about makeing lots and lots of money!!! I abhore that kind of
behavior in the medical industry.
> There are documented cases of thousands of people using the
> motivational,
> cathartic and empowering benefits of rebirthing to induce their
> cancers into
> permanent remission.
That would be alot better than cancema. I would really like to learn as
much as I can about rebirthing so I can help my mom finaly rid her body
of all the cancer.
> The reason why much of society comes down hard on rebirthing is that
> it
> threatens one of the three largest industries in the world - the
> pharmaceuticals industry. If people learned this process en masse,
> they
> would eliminate most or all need for pharmaceutical drugs, and the
> industry
> would collapse overnight. A collapse in the pharmaceuticals industry
> could
> be enough to shatter the USA's economic world dominance.
This is where freenet comes in. Rebirthing therapy methods or techniques
really boil down to one thing, information, and freenet is the greatest
and best thing to get information to people, anonymously and securely.
It might even be the last hope for freedom in this world.
> So before anyone flames at the process of rebirthing, let me ask one
> thing.
> Most or all of you can boast vastly above average intelligence, and
> the
> intellectual discipline of being able to tackle huge and complex
> structures
> of programming code. I would advise you to apply similar
> intellectual rigour
> in examining *at depth* this radical therapeutic process that goes
> by the
> name of Rebirthing.
I totaly agree. You guys should put your massive intelects into
RESEARCHING stuff instead of just dismissing it as so much garbage!!
I'm going to start researching this thing as soon as possible. And I'm
going to absorb as much information as I can.
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