> Kiddie porn is free speach. 

I rest my case. 

So let me get this right. You developers actually
support this shit? You believe freedom of speech
allows you to rip off software and distribute kiddie
porn? And I thought liberals had a problem with people
who design nuclear bombs. How is this ANY different?
You're helping people who support the right of
terrorists to publish bomb making instructions.

How pathetic.

I hope some of you are the victims of the next
terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are
killed by them. Perhaps then the rest of you will wake
up and discover reality. And to think that Ian is a
foreigner living in america. What caused to you come
to our country Ian? Were you escaping religious
persecution in England? America could use less
imported liberals like yourself. Go back to your own
country if you have a problem with America’s laws, you
fool. 

"for evil to succeed, good men need only to do
nothing." Perhaps you should add that to your twisted
philosophy, because you people sure seem bent on doing
nothing.

I'm now unsubscribing from this list. Good bye and
good riddens to you scum. 


--- Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello everyone. I'm writing a peer to peer paper
> for
> > school. This assignment has brought me to freenet.
> > Luckily our professor has allowed us a lot of
> leeway
> > with this assignment. Some of us are focusing on
> the
> > technologies, others are focusing on the social
> and
> > legal impact of the technologies. I began my paper
> > with a purely technical perspective, but after
> > studying freenet I've decided to change the focus
> to
> > political. I've spent a lot of time reading your
> email
> > archives.
> > 
> > I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some
> of
> > your people appear to be quite pathetic. Your form
> of
> > democracy appears to be anarchy. This group
> appears to
> > be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who
> hate
> > the american dream and any form of authority, yet
> you
> > represent democracy.
> 
> Oh I'm very pathetic. ;>
> 
> I actually believe in a form of government that is
> democratic and a mesh
> of the best values from both socialism and
> capitalism. Not really related
> to FreeNet so I shan't go into full details.
> 
> I do think the American dream as defined by being
> greedy and buying lots
> of stuff I don't really need just to keep up with
> the Jones is rather
> stupid. If other people want to do it that's fine
> but I like to leave my
> life simple.
> 
> And yes I believe in a minimalist government. I
> don't pay them to tell me
> what to do. I have my mother and my girlfriend for
> that. Maybe even my
> cat.
> 
> > You people actually believe the constitution gives
> you
> > the right to distribute porn and other people's
> > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a
> violation of
> > free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph
> > solution which states that fair use is your ideal
> > replacement. To say that copyrights should be
> > abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph
> > replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance
> of
> > this group.
> 
> The constitution gives everyone the right to say as
> they please. That
> includes the right to draw pictures, work
> mathmatical formulas, or sing a
> song. To protect that basic and very vital freedom
> sometimes peoples
> feeling have to get hurt. Including porn, wares,
> terrorist messages, and
> anything else that might be a form of speach some
> people would find
> offensive.
> 
> I don't know if copyrights should be abolished but
> they should not be in
> their current form which was bought and paid for by
> corporations and is
> very different from the design given to us by our
> countries
> founders. Copyrights should always end where free
> speach begins
> though. The right to communicate is more important
> than to right to buy a
> fancy car and a house.
> 
> > For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold
> > freedom of speech, you appear to actively
> discriminate
> > against those who don't share your twisted views.
> > Hipocricy, again. 
> 
> Examples?
> 
> > Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the
> intent
> > to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I
> > thought open source was the right way? Another
> example
> > of hypocrisy. 
> 
> *shrugs* I only use and write opensource software.
> Ian Clarke can do as he
> feels right. I really haven't paid any attention to
> what software he may
> be selling. There is nothing wrong with selling
> opensourced software
> though.
> 
> > What are you going to do when your commercial
> software
> > is posted on freenet or gnutella, and you can't
> pay
> > the salaries of your programmers? 
> 
> Why do anything? It's a proven fact you can make a
> profit off software
> that is fully free. The majority of the worlds
> software is customizations
> of other software. Doing that customizations is
> where the money is.
> 
> > This philosophy appears to support the
> distribution of
> > kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when
> you
> > teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of
> them
> > gets raped on camera, the film posted on the
> internet,
> > you will learn what type of reality we live in.
> 
> Kiddie porn is free speach. Even if we don't like
> it. Even if we hate it.
> Arrest those shit suckers for harming children. An
> image never harmed
> anyone. I am not a teenager and have had friends
> raped. I've even had a
> friend, a minor, raped with pictures posted on
> Usenet. I broke both the
> guys hands for it (we knew the guy who did it) after
> the police claimed to
> be unable to do anything. I'm sure I've had a lot
> more of reality than you
> have. That's one reason why I understand the
> importance of free speach.
> 
> > >From what I see, detailed instructions on how to
> > hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is
> > protected under your "freedom of speech"
> philosophy. 
> 
> Yes they are. Besides neither is very complex. A
> little creative
> imagination can teach you the first if you're
> willing to die in the
> process and going to any library or college can
> teach you the second.
> 
> > I have never seen such a glaring example of
> hypocrisy
> > and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait
> to
> > see the courts shut down your warez/porn
> distribution
> > net. 
> 
> Obviously you've never heard of the Crusades, the
> Nazi's, the KKK, or the
> American Dream.
> 
> The courts can't shut us down because they'd have to
> shut down every node
> and we can set them up faster than they can shut
> them down. Besides many
> are outside any given countries jurisdiction.
> 
> > Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the
> > merits of your three page philosophy to me in
> detail,
> > and please begin by explaining how fair use is the
> > ideal replacement.
> 
> I don't share philosophy with anyone else. Everyone
> should have their own
> and it should change as you experience life. Writing
> it down is kind of a
> nutty idea.
> 
> > Thank you very much.
> 
> Next time try not to piss on people so much and
> you'll probably get a
> better response.
> 


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