Hi, while I agree with some of the things said here I would like to add
that(and I don't mean this in a bad way) America is NOT the Internet. Laws
passed in the States are not binding in other countries in regard to the
net (as much as they would like it to be).
The internet is, and will remain, (as long as we keep fighting those who
are trying to control it) GLOBAL. As for "circumventing" such laws the
answer is in the word you used below - "INFORMATION" If people like us, who
have a common goal (keeping the Internet free from government and big
corporation intervention) SHARE our information to help others that is a
step in the right direction.
You would be suprised how many people out there no Nothing about
Microsoft's DRM or magic lantern or a thousand and one other things that
affect them and their use of the internet ,now and in the Months to come. I
phoned Microsoft in Johannesberg (i live in cape town) this morning asking
why none of the newspapers in South Africa carried any stories about their
involvement with the FBI or stopping support for windows 95,98,98se,etc: or
their patent for DRM, The answer i got was "we try to keep it quiet". So as
i said we must make sure that ALL this type of information is available to
everyone and take it from there. Thanks Jack.
-------Original Message-------
From: chat@freenetproject.org
Date: 10 January 2002 06:08:26
To: chat at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Travis Bemann wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:08:00AM -0700, colbyd wrote:
> > Does anybody know about the anti-terror legislation (USAPA) and how this
> > might be used to hassle peer networking? As I read this law and the
> > Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), it seems that
> > peer networking is in trouble for two main reasons: 1) together, the
laws
> > require that the physical infrastructure be accessible to surveillance,
and
> > 2) lack of judicial oversight in USAPA would allow law enforcement to
> > surreptitiously sabotage peer networks.
> >
> > CALEA requires that law enforcement access to call-identifying
information
> > be unobtrusive and with a minimum of interference with any subscriber's
> > telecommunications service. [47 USCS ? 1002 a(4) (2001)]. This law also
> > requires that law enforcement cannot require or prohibit carriers from
> > implementing equipment or services. [47 USCS ? 1002 b(1)(A)(B) (2001)].
> > Law enforcement cannot, under CALEA, require a carrier to discontinue
> > access to Freenet. The carrier would only need to provide access to
> > facilities to intercept communications made by a suspect. In USAPA, due
to
> > absence of judicial oversight, law enforcement has no duty to respect
> > virtual networks like Freenet that permit anonymous speech. In addition,
> > the Act requires the Treasury Department (FinCEN) to "combating [sic]
the
> > use of informal, nonbank networks and payment and barter system
mechanisms
> > that permit the transfer of funds or the equivalent of funds without
> > records and without compliance with criminal and tax laws." [310 b(F)].
> > Under the aegis of USAPA, there is no reason not to believe that a
network
> > like Freenet could be assaulted without judicial oversight by
authorities
> > because it might provide terrorists a place to transfer funds
anonymously.
> >
> > Just wondering if my reading is correct here.
>
> First thing is that all of this is irrelevent. Nothing restricts the
> power and the force of the state except the same of those opposed to
> it. It is not the law which determines something, but rather the
> power and the will of the state. The law is really just a mechanism
> to cow people into submission, by having people already indoctrinated
> to obeying it without thinking, without the state actually having to
> /do/ anything. Therefore, even simply *acknowledging* the law, even
> if one does not try to follow it, makes the state stronger, because of
> one's psychological programming to obey the law.
And how exactly do your rabid anarchistic babblings help us in our attempt
to *circumvent* such laws? We're looking for *information*, not
propaganda! I sear, sometimes it seems like you and Mark are trying to
outdo each other for the Crazy Ideologue of the List award.
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