My wife setup a network hard drive using a product from A.C.Ryan which allows 2 hard drives to be plugged-gin to the local network. The drives then became accessible to machines on the local network regardless of OS (Windows, Mac and Linux).
In my setup, I had a 360GB FAT32 and an 80GB NTFS. I am saying this because the problem of a network shared harddisk on an NTFS partition is the user access. My plan was to create a PUBLIC directory and all of our PC's should be able to share the directory. On the FAT32 ... only one PC has write access and the rest has read only. For the NTFS, anyone can create their own directory but Windows users cannot share the same directory created by another user. Both Mac and Linux has no such problems with the NTFS drive but it is an irritation for WindowsXP, Vista and 7. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Dykman Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:17 AM To: Chat forum Subject: Re: [Jchat] NTFS Master File Table I concede on all points but FAT32 just tends to be the most portable across operating systems and I rarely need handle huge files. I don't think Mac can do NTFS at all and support was pretty shaky in linux until relatively recently. Even now, you can't be sure that NTFS support has been built in to any particular kernel or distribution. linux does supports several filesystem well suited to huge files but I'm not likely to share them with anything else. More to the point of my first post, I have used quite a few of the cheaper drives in the 750G-1T range, mostly Western Digital but I don't really have a preference.. under FAT32 I have experienced some flakiness; under ext3, no issues at all. - michael 2009/10/6 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > NTFS can handle bigger files than FAT. > So when you have BIG movies you may not be able to store them in FAT. > So try to copy BIG files to the drive, try to fill the drive with data > and see if everything still works. > NTFS with its shortcomings are probably less bad than FAT > > 2009/10/6 Michael Dykman <[email protected]>: >> The only problems I have had with huge drives (>500G) is when I create >> FAT32 partitions far larger than officially supported and then try to >> use it via on heterogeneous systems (linux/mac/windows).. I bought a >> cheap terabyte drive a couple months ago ($CAN 85), set it up via LVM >> as ext3. It is now the primary drive of my much abused personal dev >> box and I have had no issues at all. >> >> I'm not a windows guy, so I haven't tried any such thing with NTFS.. I >> think NTFS should be able to handle huge drives but I not exactly >> up-to-date there. >> >> - michael >> >> 2009/10/6 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >>> I was thinking about doing just that but then I decided to take the >>> drive back to the store and ask them to fix it. >>> >>> I guess I will get a new drive - it is only one month old. >>> >>> One problem I have discovered earlier with NTFS is that if it is >>> formatted with quick option - they have probably done that in the >>> store - then the format process will not check the drive and there may >>> have been a lot of bad sectors on it. >>> >>> The interesting part was the sector 0 where $Mft is/was was also bad. >>> Also strange was that the drive just disappeared without warning and >>> nothing appeared in any form of message nor anything saying what >>> was/is wrong. >>> >>> Also I have never before had such a big NTFS disk and having so many >>> files both big and small on it. >>> >>> Some of the files are bigger than FAT accepts. >>> >>> The files are mostly movies and also a lots of music files. >>> The indexes in the $Mft are 31824 >>> >>> I guess I could have continued to use the drive with less amount of >>> data and fewer files but as it is still brabd new i want the store to >>> fix it or at least give me a new one and have it working. >>> >>> I guess that cheap 500G and 1T USB drives may not always be all good >>> and probably not meant to be filled - at least not while the warranty >>> is still valid. >>> >>> 2009/10/6 Michael Dykman <[email protected]>: >>>> I would be inclined to get access to an up-to-date linux system, mount >>>> that drive read-only, and explore/export from there.. MS operating >>>> systems can't seem to stop them selves from modifying drive contents >>>> even when 'reading' >>>> >>>> - michael dykman >>>> >>>> 2009/10/3 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >>>>> I have a 500G USB disk with 31.284 indexes in the $Mft. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs-mft.htm >>>>> >>>>> There are around 9G free on the disk but there are bad sectors on the >>>>> disk. >>>>> >>>>> Problem is it seems that the $Mft has bad sectors so I am having >>>>> problems with getting at the files. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is acting very strange and sometimes I can connect the >>>>> disk and investigate the directory and sometimes it just disappears. >>>>> >>>>> I have used explorer, disk management and DOS command prompt and it >>>>> behaves differently in between environments. >>>>> I can sometimes see the disk and directories in DOS and not in disk >>>>> management nor explorer and in a program for open files I can still >>>>> see the files and even open files. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried chkdsk a few times and the first time it claimed to be >>>>> moving files out of bad sectors including the $Mft but since then no >>>>> errors reported. >>>>> >>>>> It looks like the $Mft needs to be in sector 0 but I have seen a >>>>> reference of suggesting that I move the $Mft to another place but I >>>>> have not seen how I should do that and that brings me to the question. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone reading this have a suggestion what to try to get a >>>>> working $Mft and how to move it if possible? >>>>> >>>>> I do not yet have a spare disk to make a backup of these files and I >>>>> actually am not sure if or how I could make a copy of the files >>>>> without a working $Mft file. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >>>>> Fugl&Fiskur ehf, >>>>> Þerneyjarsundi 23, Hraunborgum >>>>> Po Box 127,801 Selfoss , >>>>> t-póst: [email protected] >>>>> gsm: +3546985532 >>>>> Landslags og skrúðgarðagerð, gröfuþjónusta >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans >>>>> >>>>> góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >>>>> /|_ .-----------------------------------. >>>>> ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >>>>> ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >>>>> / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >>>>> ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >>>>> | ) | (\_ _/) >>>>> (`-. 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If they’re any good, >>>> you’ll have to ram them down their throats! >>>> >>>> Howard Aiken >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >>> Fugl&Fiskur ehf, >>> Þerneyjarsundi 23, Hraunborgum >>> Po Box 127,801 Selfoss , >>> t-póst: [email protected] >>> gsm: +3546985532 >>> Landslags og skrúðgarðagerð, gröfuþjónusta >>> http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >>> >>> >>> Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans >>> >>> góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >>> /|_ .-----------------------------------. >>> ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >>> ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >>> / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >>> ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >>> | ) | (\_ _/) >>> (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >>> `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> - michael dykman >> - [email protected] >> >> Don’t worry about people stealing your ideas. If they’re any good, >> you’ll have to ram them down their throats! >> >> Howard Aiken >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > -- > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur > Fugl&Fiskur ehf, > Þerneyjarsundi 23, Hraunborgum > Po Box 127,801 Selfoss , > t-póst: [email protected] > gsm: +3546985532 > Landslags og skrúðgarðagerð, gröfuþjónusta > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum > /|_ .-----------------------------------. > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' > | ) | (\_ _/) > (`-. '--.) 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