Mikey
From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12bolt vs dana 44 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:36:44 -0500
As much as I like Corvettes and Chevelles,I would not try to install a C4
Dana 44 under an A-body. Trying to get the chassis geometry right on that
swap will probably be a nightmare. Having built a few high-tech
streetrods,I've seen others try this swap with less than stellar results. It
will be much cheaper to build a bulletproof 12 bolt. However,it's your car
so I wish you well with the conversion should you attempt it. Just don't
want you to get discouraged,my friend.
Hope you didn't take offense.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
LT5 Registry Director
http://www.LT5Registry.net/
ACES #1650
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm
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From: Tigergutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well Clint,
Honestly I do not think that !
But its not my words saying that a D-44 is stronger than a 12 bolt or 9inch either.
In fact its not in any way, a 12bolt is 8,875" and a 9inch is ..well 9inches and a c-4 Dana 44 is 8,537".
The Dana 44 have 29splines compared to the 30splines of the 12bolt and 28splines of a 9" and pinion diameter is 1,626" for the dana44 compared to 1,625" for the 12bolt and 1,313" for the 9". Of course there are full aftermarket parts like you, Mike and Herb have and that's a whole other story compared to the stock parts.
What I actually said is that in my case its probably cheaper to put the d-44 IRS under the car than getting a lot of aftermarket parts like trailing arms, sway bar, disc brakes etc. to beef up the 12bolt or get an aftermarket 12bolt or 9", even if I have to totally refresh the Dana with a new gear set etc. it would still be cheaper for me
Why I'm doing this is because I hope that the car will be more fun to drive with an IRS than with a stiff axle, I think it will be more comfy on bulky roads and then its something a little different than what everybody else have.
I'm not drag racing anyway so that's not an issue for me but I would like to do some track time when the car will be done in about a hundred years.
Med Vennlig Hilsen/Kind Regards/Cordiali Saluti
Andr� Broe Jensen
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: 29. september 2003 02:45 To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 bolt advice
You honestly think a C4 Dana 44 rear is stronger than a 12 bolt or Ford 9"? Trust me,they are not.
Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner LT5 Registry Director http://www.LT5Registry.net/ ACES #1650 http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm
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From: Tigergutt
Well Mikey, that's just $4000 (2complete centersections + case and axles worst case) nothing to talk about JJ
Well the plan is to install a dana44 c4 corvette rear end, I already have it in the basement so now its "just to do it"
I got two complete front suspensions and one dana44 rear for euro 1200 (around $ 1200), and its all in one package, IRS, disc brakes sway bar etc etc.
My initial plan for the car was the 12bolt with better trailing arms, a sway nice sway bar etc and tall spindles with tubular arms in front and a quick ratio box, but that's way more expensive and common that a nice aluminum IFS and IRS setup, sure its loads and loads of more work to install and for sure a lot more money to be spent before finishing but I've decided to do it.
My only problem is that I'm very good at buying parts (being a buyer as profession), but I normally forget to sell what I don't need so I tend to overstock a little JJJ
Maybe I should just keep the 12bolt and get rid of something else J
Med Vennlig Hilsen/Kind Regards/Cordiali Saluti
Andr� Broe Jensen
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Capt Crunch Sent: 28. september 2003 10:55 To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 bolt advice
Well my number one turn off on it is the power loss due to the gear cut. Second is cost. You figure that the drop in case and axle package is about 800 dollars over here. Then keep in mind that a stock Ford 9 center section will not last long. The pinion support are very weak unless you find a very rare daytona support. The nodular cases are also very rare to find now... so that basically leaves you with an aftermarket center section to handle the power I plan to put down. That is gonna run between 1200 and 1600. Now who really wants to buy 2 of those so they can switch gears easily? LOL I pretty much have no choice really so I will just have to take the after market 9 and make more power to overcome the loss :)
IMO the 12b is a fine axle... better in stock form then a stock 9" in most applications. Just out of curiousity... why you getting rid of your 12b?
Mikey
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From: Tigergutt
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 2:32 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 12 bolt advice
Mikey,
I remember seeing posts about guys very happy with their 9" axles, its easier to change the gear ratio etc. I personally don't do that very often, and I don't think I would be doing it more often with a 9" axle, but its for sure nicer to work on a 9" than a heavy 12 bolt.
I think it was at moser you could get a drop in 12bolt with 9" axle bearings, that would eliminate the c-clip eliminators.
Med Vennlig Hilsen/Kind Regards/Cordiali Saluti
Andr� Broe Jensen
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Capt Crunch Sent: 27. september 2003 19:42 To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 bolt advice
Sounds fair enough.... it is getting hard to find 12b's around here as well. If I could find one for cheap I would be all over it, but since they seem to be going for $500 plus for junk open diffs I will just get a drop in 9" rather then deal with the hassle of c-clip eliminators.
Mikey
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From: Tigergutt
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:10 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 12 bolt advice
Hi everyone,
I have taken out my gearbox and put it up for sale her in europe, next thing out (in about a month or so) is the 1968model 12bolt.
Anyone have an idea of how much a 3,73 completely rebuilt last summer is worth ? it have a gm posi and a Richmond gear setup, gm axles and fresh rear brakes (drums)it goes.
Personally I was shooting at around $1000/1200 because they are hard to find and worth more here in Europe than in the USA, but I really don't know.
Thanks !
Med Vennlig Hilsen/Kind Regards/Cordiali Saluti
Andr� Broe Jensen
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle Andersson Sent: 25. september 2003 19:19 To: Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Thanks!
The pix are streaming in so I might need some more time to get all you guys up on the site! In fact I might need the weekend! But I hope to get the first batch up tomorrow at this time! This I really good therapy since I can't do anything with my own car at the moment. My next project is a new starter & new rear coils & shock absorbers! ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.chello.se/gearheads/
Best regards Pelle Andersson
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