[chhattisgarh-net] Digest Number 1621

Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:38:36 -0700

Title: chhattisgarh-net

Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)

1a.
Re: Response to Pioneer article From: Samuel Lakra
1b.
Re: Response to Pioneer article From: Anoop Saha
1c.
Re: Response to Pioneer article From: G MANJU SAINATH
1d.
Re: Response to Pioneer article From: G MANJU SAINATH
1e.
Re: Response to Pioneer article From: kamalnayan choubey

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1a.

Re: Response to Pioneer article

Posted by: "Samuel Lakra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   samuellakra

Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:12 am (PDT)

 
Dear all
 
The statement of Mr. Goel appears to be biased. 
 
What is secret in what Naxals are doing? Every body knows and their violent act is strongly condemned. But with a pre set mind to expect every body to sing his song is not possible.
 
Why police uses innocent tribals to crack on Naxals when they can not do so? I do not raise any questin on Manjunath's visit which has more questions but the way goel has charged that majority members of this group raises voice every time ZULM is committed is an acceptance by him that yes, the SJ committs atrocity. Despite of which he expects others to remain quite and praise the killings or Zulm.
 
 Samuel Lakra.

--- On Sat, 9/13/08, op goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:

From: op goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh-net] Re: Response to Pioneer article
To: chhattisgarh-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:09 PM

dear sainathji
 
Very rightly put. the atrocities committed by the naxals have not been highlighted because this group has very few members who are or want to be on the wrong side of the leftists. Almost all the members talk of the ZULM by the salwa judum but hardly anyone has spoken out against the terror and julm by the naxals.
 
Bravo sainathji.
 
opgoel

--- On Sat, 9/13/08, G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh- net] Re: Response to Pioneer article
To: chhattisgarh- [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 4:17 PM

Dear Lakra Ji,
You said, "What is new if grenades and arms are found with Naxalites. Even
a
child knows that they possess weapons and are more modern than the state
police."
It could not have astonished if the arms and ammunitions were made locally
or even had the Pakistan brand on them. But don't you realise the
seriousness when the arms are coming from China for the Maoist movement? Is
there any need to tell Lakraji that Mao was a Chinese and Chinese government
calls itself a communist nation?


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Re: Response to Pioneer article

Posted by: "Anoop Saha" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   anoopsaha

Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:13 am (PDT)

How most scientific discoveries occur: Someone gathers evidence that points towards a theory. He/She proposes a theory and tries to fit it onto newer evidences. He/She establishes the theory as fact.

How regular people draw conclusions on everyday matters (except on matters of faith, of course) : They analyze the evidence they see. They try to fit the evidence into a theory. They propose the theory as a fact.

How paranormal frauds go about their craft: They assume something. Then they ignore all the evidences that point against their assumption. Then they present their assumption as a fact.

How propagandists work: They get hold of a lie. Then they repeat the lie. Then they ignore evidences that expose their lies. They also try to hide evidences that would establish their lies as false. Then they repeat the lie, and present it as truth.

How the minds of propagandees work: They read/see/hear what the propagandists have to say. Then they repeat it as fact.

Your argument, dear Mr. Goel, is a cross between the third and the fourth or possibly fifth. This group is as critical, if not more, of naxals as it is of any other who targets innocents. Please reread the previous emails.

Manju bhai, if you are withholding information from our security agencies, about possible chinese aid to the naxals, you can be held guilty under CSPSA. Please help the police in their fight against naxals by sharing your leads.

Thanks and Regards,
~Anoop

----- Original Message ----
From: op goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
To: chhattisgarh-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com
Sent: Sunday, 14 September, 2008 8:39:46 AM
Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh-net] Re: Response to Pioneer article

dear sainathji

Very rightly put. the atrocities committed by the naxals have not been highlighted because this group has very few members who are or want to be on the wrong side of the leftists. Almost all the members talk of the ZULM by the salwa judum but hardly anyone has spoken out against the terror and julm by the naxals.

Bravo sainathji.

opgoel

--- On Sat, 9/13/08, G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@gmail.com> wrote:

From: G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh-net] Re: Response to Pioneer article
To: chhattisgarh-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 4:17 PM

Dear Lakra Ji,
You said, "What is new if grenades and arms are found with Naxalites. Even
a
child knows that they possess weapons and are more modern than the state
police."
It could not have astonished if the arms and ammunitions were made locally
or even had the Pakistan brand on them. But don't you realise the
seriousness when the arms are coming from China for the Maoist movement? Is
there any need to tell Lakraji that Mao was a Chinese and Chinese government
calls itself a communist nation?

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Re: Response to Pioneer article

Posted by: "G MANJU SAINATH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:13 am (PDT)

Dear Rahul,
I have quoted the then Home Minister Brijmohan Agrawal who had told media
after a deadly police-naxal encounter that the police have seized China made
weapons. I had reported it for Deccan Herald some four-five years back.
Probably you may get the story on Deccan Herald's archives.
There may be diplomatic reasons behind Narayanan's statement that India did
not get any proof establishing Naxals getting foreign support.

Regards

On 9/14/08, rahul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:
>
> Manju i have always been intrigued by the question as to where the
> naxalites get the arms and the funds to run their military operations
> because it is obvious that just looting the police armouries and extorting
> from contractors and the like are not sufficient for the scale on which they
> operate. india's security adviser m k narayanan has stated that so far the
> IB has not been able to establish any proof of foreign support for the
> naxalites. now you say that the chinese government is providing arms and
> money to the naxalites. this is quite plausible. but do you have any proof
> of this.
> Rahul Banerjee
>
> 74,Krishnodayanagar,Khandwa naka,Indore,Madhya Pradesh, India-452001
>
> Cell no: +919926791773
>
> webpage: http://rahulbanerjee.notlong.com
>
> blog: http://anar-kali.blogspot.com
>
> --- On Fri, 12/9/08, G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@gmail.com<gmanjusainath%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> From: G MANJU SAINATH <gmanjusainath@gmail.com <gmanjusainath%40gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh-net] Re: Response to Pioneer article
> To: chhattisgarh-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com <chhattisgarh-net%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 11:37 PM
>
> Dear Sri Gandhiji's follower,
>
> I request you to kindly visit Dantewada, hold satyagraha (fast unto
> death) against the Maoists (who are around 5000 in number according to the
> police) until they surrender before you and choose your path. That is the
> best way to become a 'true follower of Gandhiji'. State sponsored terrorism
> is found in almost all the countries. Stalin eliminating Trotsky and a
> number of his followers is also a form of the state sponsored terrorism. US
> attack on Afghanistan, China conquoring Tibet, Russia claiming control over
> Chechnya, birth of HuJi, LeT, Harkat Ul Mujahiddin, rise of Taliban, are all
> the forms of state sponsored terrorism. If you go deep into the Naxal
> problem you will find a state sponsored terrorism. You may find some foreign
> countries funding the Maoists to wage a war against the state of India. In
> other words it is a 'Foreign State Sponsored Terrorism'. So Maoist movement
> itself will be a state-sponsored terrorism. I remember the then
> Home Minister Brijmohan Agrawal told media persons during a press briefing
> that some Naxalites shot dead in an encounter on Sarguja border possessed
> hand granades and arms, which were made in China. Whatever is happening in
> Bastar is to help people protect themselves. And you know 'Offence is the
> best defence'.
>
>
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Re: Response to Pioneer article

Posted by: "G MANJU SAINATH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:46 am (PDT)

Dear Anoop,

I am not breaking any news but just keying in some instances of the past.
Brijmohan Agrawal had revealed this to media that Naxals carried the chinese
weapon. That's it.

On 9/14/08, Anoop Saha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:
>
>
> Manju bhai, if you are withholding information from our security agencies,
> about possible chinese aid to the naxals, you can be held guilty under
> CSPSA. Please help the police in their fight against naxals by sharing your
> leads.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> ~Anoop
>
>
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Re: Response to Pioneer article

Posted by: "kamalnayan choubey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:13 pm (PDT)


Manju Bhai,
if Naxals have killed 5000 policemen....does it justify the killing of innocent tribal people...burning their home...rape of womens..and thaks for your advise to the "follower of sri Gandhiji"....thaks a lot....
kamal.
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