Yea, that ($600-$700) seems to be about the average norm from what I have seen online ect. I have a system that I use to determine the price of a pup (cost divided by number of pups equals cost) That is just what works for me. I don't think the abovementioned prices are outrageous per se, but how often do we see advertisements for chis in the $1k to $2K range?? Too often, if you ask me. Of course, it is all a matter of supply and demand. I mean if two equally qualified people are seeking the same pup and one is willing to pay $600 and the other is willing to pay $1500, and all other things considered are equal, only a dummy would pass up the extra money. lol Marsha
----- Original Message ----- From: "imkoogie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Safe breeding weight for Chis? - breeders, etc - Marsha > Hi Marsha, > > I think the AKC breeders here get around $600-$700 a pet quality > puppy, if they are ethical and not trying to get thousands. I know > that a stud can be paid or pick of the litter. I was offered that > with Harv, but because the male can be hurt, distance, etc, I > decided not to. I do know that if the dog has won in competition > they make more money. I am probably going to the chihuahua show in > Lincoln, IL this year and I will interview and ask people for the > group. Last year I went and had a blast. Harvey tried to jump in the > ring with all the chi's, he was so cute! > Vicki > > > --- In [email protected], "marsha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > you mean money from a show dog can only be made from champions?? > Again, I > > don't claim any knowledge in that area. I just assumed since so > many people > > look for show dogs, it was because there were winnings ($$) > involved. As > > far as just breeding for pets, yea, a person COULD make a lot of > money. They > > do it by breeding those tinies and claiming "teacup", but like you > said, > > there is no such thing!! so basically, it is a gimmick, but it > > works....people can get a couple of thousand dollars just because > a chi will > > be small. To me, that is sooo stupid!! My smallest chi is > currently 2 1/2 > > pounds and I am trying to put weight on her! I don't want one that > small!! > > BUT, to me, she is certainly no more valuable than my 7 pounder. > It is my > > opinion that it is bad ethics to charge so much money for any chi. > But that > > is just my opinion. Personally, I normally get in the neighborhood > of $300 > > to $400 for a pup, and that barely covers my cost (if it covers > them at all) > > > > Marsha > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "imkoogie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:28 PM > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Safe breeding weight for Chis? - > breeders, etc > > > > > > > Hi Marsha and all, > > > > > > I found the higher priced Chi's when I was looking, were > basically > > > puppy mill dogs. There are no such thing as "teacup" chi's, only > > > those bred to be abnormally small. Money can be made only in > > > breeding a champ (stud) that has consistantly won. However, there > > > are always no guarantees as to pup quality. > > > Vicki > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "marsha" <ruffles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't claim to know anything about showing, as I don't show. > I > > > just knew they could potentially make a lot of money so I can > > > understand why they would be willing to invest more money in a > top > > > of the line chi. But for us normal folks, I just don't uddy why > > > breeders feel the right to charge so much. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Kay Lewis > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis? > > > > > > > > > > > > I was never aware that show winners won big bucks, and those > > > trophies are only gold or silver plated... > > > > Showing a dog costs thousands of dollars above and beyond the > > > normal cost of keeping a dog.. There's a > > > > professional trainer and sometimes a handler. Training for > > > show takes weeks..... Shipping costs and sometimes boarding > costs. > > > Then the cost for the humans who have to go along, logings and > food, > > > plus high dollar salary.......... Vet bills, and to get to > a > > > champion level, this process has to be repeated many times. > Not a > > > poor mans hobby.......... I've known international grand > > > champion owners and they were always in the red. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marsha wrote: > > > > > > > > Some people do make money from it. I mean there is no way > that > > > it is necessary to charge a couple of thousand dollars for any > dog. > > > But once some breeders see they have a pup that is going to be > > > really small or have really neat colors, they suddenly up the > price. > > > I am sorry, but I just don't understand that! I mean why is a > cute > > > little bridle 2 1/2 pounder worth so much more than the 6 pound > > > brown??? To me, they are all worth a million bucks, but I, like > you, > > > am happy to simply cover my out of pocket expenses. Sometimes I > do, > > > and some times I loose a LOT. Of course, I can understand the > > > champion show line dogs being a bit more, after all the buyer > will > > > possibly win a lot of money over the years from show winnings. > > > > p.s. yours are adorable! > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Cindy Andrilli > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marsha , you seem like a smart woman and I like what > you > > > have to say. I agree with you. I have been breeding since the > late > > > 99 early 2000, but I started out with merles and they were bigger > > > dogs. I am now getting into some of the smaller dogs and even > with > > > the experience I have I am treading lightly. I will wait on > HObb's > > > 3 rd or 4th heat because she is small. I am also looking for the > > > right male for her.. I have gone back to the breeder that I got > her > > > from and we have been talking genetic's so I get a male that > comes > > > from a small genetic tree. Hobb's (my brindle) will weigh > between 3 > > > 12 to 4 lbs when grown. I will be very careful with her and if > it > > > doesn't feel right then it isn't and I will wait till it does.. > > > > > > > > Also , my lil Margie is due to go into her second heat > and > > > she is 4 1/4 lb.. I might wait till her 3rd heat to breed her.. I > > > have Petie who weighs the same as her but I think she is young.. > I > > > will decide once she goes into heat but if I had to decide today > > > then I would wait one more heat cycle.. My opinion.. > > > > > > > > If you want to see who I am talking about they are all > named > > > on my site.. www.cindyrillis-chihuahuas.net Cindy > > > > > > > > P. S. Marsha, I just reread what you wrote.. If it wasn't > > > for people who care about standard of the chi, the health of the > > > dog, and all around well being then I worry what would happen to > > > this breed... I don't like mixing the lines, and for those that > > > want a pure bred chi , a good breeder is nice to have around; > > > especially if they are doing it for the love of the chi, not the > > > $$$. Of course you need to recover what you put into the dogs; > > > plus time for poop pick up and cleaning supplies, and such.. > Loving > > > the babies I figure is for free, but if I recover the basic's > then I > > > am happy . Last night we had to buy dog food. A 35 lb bag of > Royal > > > Canine puppy med 32 and a 3 lb bag of Royal Canine Chihuahua 28 > was > > > 38.00 plus 13.00 and some canned food of 5.00. totalled me 56.00. > > > This is what I feed for the month.. I have two that have pups in > the > > > oven right now so they are a vit. suppliment and then I make > them a > > > doggie corn bread treat... Plus I buy all kinds of doggie chews > and > > > treats.. They have collars and chains ( I walk them - weather > > > permitting) and a whole laundry basket full of toys.. I can't get > > > out of wal mart with out just that one toy.. Also I buy > blankets > > > for them and doggie beds..This all adds up. but I don't mind.. I > > > love every minute of what I am doing. > > > > > > > > I am explaining when someone doesn't understand when you > ask > > > $$ for the pup. You really don't make that much after you look at > > > all you put into it. And if your mamma had delivery problems then > > > you are in the red and hope the next litter will help rebuild > your > > > credit card back up for the next time.. So you have to love what > > > you are doing. > > > > > > > > marsha <ruffles@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This would depend mostly on the sir being used! For > > > instance, even if you > > > > have a 4 pound female and a sir that throws 6 pound > > > puppies, you are asking > > > > for trouble. However, if you have a sir that throws > really > > > small pups, you > > > > can go with a lower weight. Breeders generally will not > > > breed a chi under 3 > > > > pounds, but even 3 pounds would not be smart unless > they > > > are very > > > > experienced and know alot about their sirs background. > I > > > have a 2 1/2 pound > > > > female that I am trying to get to 3 pound so I can > breed > > > with a sir that I > > > > know throws small pups. HOWEVER, I have over 10 years > > > experience breeding > > > > chis and am very familiar with my sir. I would NOT > > > recommend this for > > > > someone who does not know exactly what they are doing > and > > > does not have the > > > > experience and ability to step in should difficulties > > > arise during delivery! > > > > For a new breeder, I would not recommend them starting > out > > > with a chi less > > > > than 4 or possibly 4 1/2 pounds. > > > > > > > > And for the record, I am not attempting to breed for > the > > > SIZE. Size is not > > > > no where near as important as the health of the pups. > I am > > > seeking to breed > > > > Dinah because she is so close to standards. She has all > > > the characteristics > > > > I am looking for in a chi. This would be her 2nd > litter, > > > but she had a > > > > litter before I got her, so I don't know how that went. > > > She was, in my > > > > opinion, to small to have been bred by the previous > owner! > > > My plans is to > > > > breed her to my small throwing sir, keep the largest > > > female that is up to > > > > standards, to breed with my more experienced male later > > > on. The male I am > > > > planning to use with Dinah, will not be used with other > > > females because he > > > > does throw to small....less chance of breedable pups. > Any > > > pups born that are > > > > not expected to reach at least 3 1/2 pounds, are sold > on a > > > spay/ neuter > > > > contract only. > > > > > > > > I am sure some of you non breeders may find all of this > > > offensive, but the > > > > breeders will understand what I am saying. Breeders > must > > > do stuff like this > > > > so that non breeders can have those perfect little chis > > > they love so much. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Cornelia Malies" <conny63malies@> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:49 AM > > > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine and I had a discussion. What would > be a > > > safe breeding > > > > > weight for a female Chi? I think you shouldnt breed > > > under like 3 1/2 > > > > > to 4 pounds.But thats just me i guess. Gimme your > > > opinion please > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lets talk about our wonderful little friends! > > > > > Join today! " > > > > > Yahoo! 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