Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: dog food-RAW and Flint River

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:30:05 -0700

All we can do is offer what we feel has worked for us.  I have 2 20 year old chihuahuas raised soley on RAW never any arthritis and still going strong and they have all their teeth.  So that is proof enough for me and all my raw eating dogs.  I am glad this subject will be dropped we can only offer what we feel works.  I deal with puppies daily, the pup that you say I almost killed had Coccidia that is why he was on Albon.  No vet just give Albon for nothing.  Albon takes a few days to really kick in.  In the mean time that pup needs to eat.  I have dealt with it before.  I am sure I will deal with it again.  I have saved many puppies and have people call me in the middle of the night for assistance.  You can bash me all you want.  My heart is in the right place and I do with other's dogs as I would do with my own.  WE can only suggest and offer our support.  We are not there with the dog we can only offer what we have experienced.  Any how, I did plan on unsubing from this group due to unbiased people who cannot or will not open their minds.  Hey, I am going to call the pet food I use to feed just to see if I could get something in writing and also ask where they get their meat from and such.  I will let you know what I get in return.  Thanks for that bit of info.  I never knew they would send out info.  I feel some real good links were out and I even learned a few new things about RAW so I am real happy!!
 
Thanks all for the info.
 
Jen-CA

Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can disagree with me all you want.  In fact this will be my last
post to you on the subject.  I've tried to help you out but you've
allowed the raw cult to brainwash you from rational thinking.  I have
told this before, I had a friend in another group whose dog died from
raw.  He had read all the raw stuff and got sucked in.  His dog is
dead.  He emailed and asked for my phone #.  I had to listen to him
ball like a child for 30 minutes about how he'd killed his dog, the
guilt he felt, how his little girl wouldn't come out of her room.  I
tried to tell him but he wouldn't listen.  No one wants to listen
until its too late.  This feeding method is _Dangerous_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its all over the net about grapeseed extract.  Google it.  I really
have spent more effort on this than should be necessary.  That was the
first one I found.  I can understand you being skeptical since I am a
lot skeptical of the folks that come in here from the raw group that
are one sided too.  The owner of that site has done 11 years of
research on raw.  What they say makes since to me.

Chris

--- In [email protected], "ntvlawher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I must disagree with you here Chris,
>
> this is absolutely the only thing I have ever read; (and I have
> trained in homeopathic medicine for many many years), that even hints
> that grapefruit seed extract is ineffective.
>
> In terms of the bitter taste, the ratio of extract to meat is so
> minute that it is ulikely to even be tasted by the animals, when
> combined with the rest of the ingredients. 
>
> Although I am not attempting to imply that your source is unreputable,
> or invalid, I am a little skeptical of any source that is so
> completely one sided. Good research will highlight the pros and cons
> of the sbject matter, and not read like a unilateral miltant manual.
>
> DD.
>
> If you know of other unbiased sources that denote grapefruit seed
> extract as being lees than effective, I would like to read them.
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "Chris" <campinnut@> wrote:
>
> > No grapeseed WILL NOT!!
> >
> > From: http://www.secondchanceranch.org/training/raw_meat/myths.html
> >
> > False: Grapefruit seed extract kills all dangerous bacteria.
> >
> > Truth: This is completely un-scientific and unproven. Furthermore,
> > some bacteria thrive in the acid environment of the stomach.
> > Grapefruit Seed extract is irritating to the dog's stomach lining and
> > the taste is bitter.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "ntvlawher" <ntvlawher@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have really mixed feelings about raw, so I have done some research
> > > on my own and have come up with the following points:
> > >
> > > 1. Grapefruit seed extract is a natural antibacterial agent that
will
> > > kill mold, bacteria, salmonela and other bacterias found in meat. I
> > > have added this to the preperation of my meat food.
> > >
> > > 2. Because i have a dog with diabetes, it has been recommended
that I
> > > feed a high fibre diet. I have noticed through testing that my dog
> > > goes into lipophase, (bad for diabetics) when he is on meat
only, so I
> > > have added a bit of cooked brown rice to level this process out, and
> > > balance his protein with a high fibre carb.
> > >
> > > 3. My chi is overweight, so he doesn't get the rice.
> > >
> > > 4. I add about a cup of boiling water to the pins food and about
half
> > > to three quarters to the chis food, it is enough to heat through the
> > > meat.
> > >
> > > 5. I also mix the food with plain yogourt with live bacteria culture
> > > (after the water cools slightly) to help the intestines and
digestion
> > > process maintain healthy flora to combat any bad bacteria.
> > >
> > > These things have worked for me, so far so good.
> > >
> > > I also grind my own beef that I get from the butcher.
> > >
> > > I guess, in short we are never going to all agree on what the best
> > > method for feeding our pets is, but for me, I have found a
system that
> > > I feel safe and comfortable with. Really that is such a big part of
> > > the battle.
> > >
> > > DD.
> >
>






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