ok, so you are telling me that because her son killer her CHI that
she
should not have anymore or raise them, i had a friend that lived
with me
and let my yorkie out and it got hit by a car, so since my
friend did this
you are going to tell me that i am not responsible
enough to get another
one or raise them, that is for the birds, her
son did it she did not,
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
>
> yeah IF one learns
from their past... that fact has not been proven.
>
>
Nonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
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On
> Behalf Of Tracie
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:35
PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>
Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
>
>
>
>
I believe you are taking this to a different level, i thought this
>
was a group for chihuahua lovers, I dont believe you love anyone
but
> yourself, you need to get off of peoples backs and if you cant say
> anything good or in a nicer way dont say anything at all, i signed
up
> here becuase i love my chihuahuas, if it where not for
breeders i
> would not have my babies, so she is a breeder who gives a
rats ass,
> as long as she takes care of them and makes sure they go to
good
> homes what should you have to say about that, so leave her alone
and
> drop it, and i dont see why you keep bringing up her past,
that is
> why it is called the PAST leave it
>
there.................................................................
>
.........
>
> no simply speaking my opinion!!! You always claim
to be poor
marsha,
> as
> > in no money, no funds, broke
blah blah as well as deaf and the
part
> > about being deaf is a
non-issue!. BUT you also say you are an
> attorney?
> > Well
think on this a poor (as in no money) attorney is a poor (in
> >
quality and people skills, as in a lousy attorney). You can
travel
> to
> > washington DC to be sworn in ... sworn in as
what...... be
> specific...be
> > a member (perhaps) of state
bar association but not your local bar
> > association, have a kid
(whether real, step or you are the
current
> home
> > for
kid of a deadbeat kid's mother) who you so causally say is
> in
"juvy"
> > as (to those of us layman juvenile deliqency program or
JAIL)
like
> its
> > no big deal, who killed your
"breeding male" Just remember you
can
> fool
> > some of
the people all of the time, some of the people some of
the
>
time
> > and there are people like me who YOU can't fool at
all.
> >
> > And you know what the person who has the most
problem with
> something is
> > the one who is usually guilty
of what they are being accused of.
> >
> > I call a spade a
spade. My 2 dogs , one is neutered and the other
is
> > spayed. I
have raised nor plan to have ZERO litters of puppies. I
> > don't
care how broke I am I would not breed dogs for the money or
>
even
> > to have an egocentric idea I could improve the breed which
most
> people
> > don't care about unless they are showing
dogs and want their name
on
> > some big fancy cup. Therefore
where does that leave you. You are
not
> > showing etc. you are
simply trying to perhaps earn some money and
> make
> > a
living not for the love of the animal, blah blah blah I'm not a
>
byb,
> > can never be accused of being one. In fact, both my dogs are
> rescues.
> > If I presented my views and you presented yours
to a neutral jury
I
> bet
> > you I know who'd
win.
> >
> > Nonnie
> >
>
> --- In
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ups.com,
> "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote:
> >
>
> marsha many months ago I did reply to you privately and YOU
posted
> it to the
> > group!! If you are a lawyer you should not be
poor except unless
> you are
> > not a good lawyer.
>
>
> >
> >
> > -----Original
Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ups.com
>
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>
On
> > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05,
2006 3:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ups.com
> >
Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
> >
> >
> >
> > Simple answer...I wanted another stud because I AM
a
> Breeder...kinda hard
> > to breed with out a guy, in case
you didn't know. However, you
may
> be
> > tickled to
death to know that I DID invest in another male, for
> Ginger's
>
> sake, but will NOT be breeding him because he is NOT suitable for
my
> > breeding purposes, but I WILL be getting another male for
breeding
> > purposes when I can afford it and the reaosn I can not
afford it
> right now
> > is because I DON'T breed for
money...if I did, I could be rich.
> >
> > There is no
breeder in which you agree with their breeding. You
are
> >
completely anti breeding, yet you have no problem with having
>
chis....do
> > you think your chis dropped out of the thin air???
Either they
came
> from a
> > byb (even if, and especially
if a pound rescue) or else they were
> > purchased from a breeder who
intentionally breeds.
> >
> > Know what Nonnie, I have had
this argument with you for too long,
> you
> > don't have a
clue who I am or what I am about. I take great pride
> in my
>
> chis and if you disagree, so what, screw you. I have tried to
>
ignore your
> > little comments, I have tried to play nice, I even
left the group
> > temporarily at one point to keep from saying
something to you. I
am
> not
> > playing your games any
more. You are a jerk and i am sure you
feel
> the
> > same
about me. I will not reply to your smart elic remarks any
> more, but
I
> > am not gonna turn my back on a group I enjoy because You choose
to
> make
> > people misserable. If you have something to
say about me, tell it
to
> > whomever you want OFF POST....if
anyone wants to hear my version
or
> verify
> > anything
you tell them, they can ask me OFF POST, but it is time
to
>
stop
> > subjecting the rest of the group to this.
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> > > Very few BYB's ever
consider themselves BYB's. Especially when
> they cry
> > >
they have no money, can't afford another breeding male, yet
want
>
to
> > > breed puppies.... hmm Marsha... why do you need another
male.
Its
> not a
> > > dog you have been endeared to
just one you want to use as a
> stud .... is
> > > it just
to raise puppies and increase some income?????
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ups.com
>
> [mailto:Chihuahuas@yahoogro
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>
ups.com]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:13 AM
> > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com>
> ups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a
Newbie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion and controversy
>
since
> > > their are many different
oppinions....but.....
> > > While there are many issues that
differentiate between legit
> breeders
> > > and BYB, I
think with your horses, you understand the MAIN
issue.
> A
byb
> > > breeds for no reason other than dollar signs. Once the
money
> ceases to
> > > come in from the breeding, they are
off to other ventures. A
legit
> > > breeder actually cares
about the animal they are breeding. Just
> as your
> > >
horses were bred because you loved the traits and personality
of
>
the
> > > specific horse you were breeding. A lot like people
> reproduce.....we can
> > > all just go out and adopt
(as I did) or we can produce a child
> with a
> > > person
whom we have fallen in love with because we want an
> extension
of
> > > ourselves and that person.
> > >
> >
> Can mistakes and bad outcomes happen with a legit breeder??
>
Absolutely!
> > > The question is, do we do everything we can to
prevent the bad
and
> > > create the best? Do we sacrifice all
to assure the best
possible?
> Yes.
> > >
> >
> If you have been happy with your horse, have done all the
>
neccessary
> > > ground work to assure health, ect., have taken
responsibility
for
> the
> > > offspring, rather that
be keeping them or finding them the best
> possible
> > >
homes, then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to
> think
you
> > > are a byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the
animals you
> produce.
> > > I am not a horse person, so I
don't understand a lot of what
you
> said,
> > > but
sounds to me as if you had your head on straight when you
> choose
to
> > > breed your horse.
> > >
> > > As
for Drake, what difference does it make at this point if his
>
breeder
> > > was or was not a byb? Yes, we should try to avoid
buying from
> byb's in
> > > order to discourage the
continuation, but now that you have
him,
> all
> > >
that matters is what you do in the future.
> > >
> > >
Marsha
> > >
> > >> I really hate the term backyard
breeder. It gets very
confusing
> to me
> > >> what
that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses
> > >>
breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that
>
surgically
> > >> correct defects to show there dogs. I am also
a horse breeder
of
> > >> halter horses so I do know what
you are saying about HYPP in
the
> > >> quarter horses. I
raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about
> the
> >
>> HYPP issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be
>
shown. To
> > >> lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me
off. I don't own
any
> HYPP
> > >> horses. I have
owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago.
> He was
> >
>> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have HYPP
>
horses
> > >> and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is
not common in
> > >> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger
well known breeders.
> They
> > >> just insure the
horses and collect when they die just to buy
more
> > >>
horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they
purposely
>
> >> breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all
> show
> > >> quality. Then they are useless as a riding
horse. Dangerous in
my
> > >> opinion. I have never bought
a horse from a big named halter
> breeder.
> > >> I am
not sure I ever would. There is just to much that I know
> they
do
> > >> to the horses to win. If backyard breeders are just
doing it
for
> the
> > >> money then big time
breeders are doing it for even more money.
I
> > >> think
there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard
> that
>
> >> will never be shown because they just are not into showing,
the
> > >> politics or they just don't know what they have.
Only a small
> > >> percentage of all horses are shown. Not so
much that they are
> not show
> > >> quality. I have
also seen so horses in the top ten stallions
that
> > >>
never should be there. They are there only because the owners
>
have
> > >> money and can hirer the right trainer and take them
to enough
> shows. I
> > >> have always trained and
shown my own horses. I have done good
> and I
> > >>
have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse.
>
There
> > >> is just to much politics in a halter class. So in
many ways
show
> > >> records do not mean much to me. I do
have show records on most
> of my
> > >> horses. My best
mare does not have a show record. She does not
> even
> >
>> look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is
very
> > >> foundation looking. Not like the modern halter
horse at all.
She
> > >> produces the most gorgeous foals.
If I was not a backyard
> breeder 20
> > >> years ago I
might not never known that I had a great mare. She
> was in
>
> >> heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her. She
was
> just
> > >> my kids horse that I paid $200
for. I rode her down to a
> breeding farm
> > >> that
had a nice Paint Stallion I thought would cross good on
> her.
He
> > >> also did not have to much of a show career do to
injury, but
his
> > >> babies where doing good at the
shows. My foal was one of his
best
> > >> ever. That let me
know what I had if I breed her to the right
> > >> stallion. I
continued to breed her to different stallions and
> learned
>
> >> to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several
> State
> > >> Champions out of her and her foals. I
have now raised 6
> generation of
> > >> foals. Some
people might call me a backyard breeder because I
> don't
> >
>> have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after
many
> > >> years of breeding to world champions. I will
say my stallions
> foals
> > >> are twice the quality I
ever got from paying thousands of
> dollars on
> > >>
stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the
> quality
I
> > >> get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have
an eye
> for it.
> > >> In someway I was lucky. I had a
mare that was a producer. She
> passed
> > >> this on to
her foals.
> > >>
> > >> Back to dogs. I do know
the breeder of Drake did produce a dog
> with a
> > >>
great personality and temperament. She did give him a full
> series
of
> > >> vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she
sold
him.
> He was
> > >> in good health and pretty
good manners. I never met the
breeder.
> I did
> >
>> meet the older daughters who sold him at the grocery store.
>
> >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In
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> > >>
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> > > "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote:
> >
>>>
> > >>> anyone can create any registry and it
doesn't matter. its the
> > >> quality of
> >
>>> the dog and its background that is important. I could care
less
> > >> what
> > >>> registry if any
a dog is with. Most shouldn't be registered as
> > >>
quality
> > >>> anyways. I think a dog should have to pass
genetic testing and
> > >> physical
> > >>>
traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate
alot
>
of
> > >> the
> > >>> backyard breeders who
are breeding for money. PEOPLE think
> because
> > >> a
dog is
> > >>> registered anything its something special....
its NOT!! Its a
> piece
> > >> of paper
> >
>>> that's all.
> > >>>
> > >>>
At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something.
As
>
of
> > >> 2007
> > >>> they will no longer
register HYPP postive horses which means
you
> > >> darn
well
> > >>> better test the parents before you breed if you
expect ot
have a
> > >> registered
> >
>>> quarter horse.
> > >>>
> >
>>> Nonnie
> > >>>
> > >>> PS
Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and
>
puppy
> > >> millers
> > >>> never admit to
being a puppy mill. They all say they are
trying
> to
> >
>> improve
> > >>> the breed. A lot of people who
breed don't have a pot to piss
in
> > >>> financially
and keep saying that they can't afford this or
that
> but
>
> >> they are
> > >>> still breeding puppies...
makes you know why ... its because
> they
> > >> sell
them
> > >>> and make money inspite of what they
say.
> > >>>
> > >>> I call a spade a
spade
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From:
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> > >>>
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> > >> [mailto:Chihuahuas@yahoogro
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> > >>
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> > > On
> > >>> Behalf Of Marsha
Taylor
> > >>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM
>
> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
> >
>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>>> > whether
> > >>> CKC is good or bad depends
on who you are talking to, lol. I
> prefer
> > >>
the
> > >>> AKC, but am considering dual registering my
AKC's because it
> seems
> > >> most
> >
>>> people are wanting
> > >>> CKC these
days.
> > >>>
> > >>> So maybe your baby
didn't come from the best of places. My
> first chi
> >
>>> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a puppy
> mill. I
> > >> didn't
> > >>> know
then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16
wonderful
> >
>> years and
> > >>> I wouldn't have taken anything
for him. Now that you have
your
> baby,
> > >>>
forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future
you
>
have
> > >> with
> > >>> him!
> >
>>> :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> My chis
love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a
> > >>
Husky/wolf mix
> > >>> that they adore! Like you, I never
leave them
unattended...why
> take
> > >>>
chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same
time,
>
I
> > >> don't
> > >>> worry a bit when the
chis are outside playing with the big
dogs.
> > >> The
only
> > >>> thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take
Barley out of the
> > >> yard...they
> > >>>
both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything
and
>
> >> loves to
> > >>> get the others in trouble,
lol.
> > >>>
> > >>> Marsha
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
