Hi Nonnie, I won't think about taking my dog to the vet . I have the 
medical bills and reciepts to show I did. Not all breeders are 
horrible. Please open you eyes to that. If someone did not breed 
then we would not have the dogs we do .. I don't want to go on and 
on but there are responsible breeders out there. 

Joseph , my little one that had the lack of oxgen at birth (born at 
a vet clinic too) anyway , I could breed him,but how would I explain 
when people say "who's the daddy and I point to a little dog that 
see's only shadows"  It is obvious that he has problems.. It breaks 
my heart and I love him so so much that I can't bare to part with 
him so he is neutered and is my baby.. I helped be a part to bring 
him in this world and he is with me . If I found a loving person for 
him I might consider placing him but I cry at the thought. HE is MY 
baby and I love him .. So their are good breeders out there that 
love the dogs.. Cindy


--- In [email protected], ~K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I will be leaving the group as lately the topics discussed are 
hurtful and completely off-topic.  I am shocked at the behavior of 
adults on this list.
>    
>   Kristin and Rudy
> 
> Nonnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>             This is supposedly not a BREEDERS list though 
sometimes I wonder.... 
>    
>   You are in your own words new at this meaning breeding.. 
Convince me you are doing this KNOWLEDGEABLY and RATIONALLY.  Why 
did you breed these dogs and what have you done to ensure its NOT an 
indiscriminate breeding.  THe question you asks admits you don't 
know what you are doing..... Tell me why did you breed the dog in 
the first place.  
>    
>   What are you going to do IF you dog is preganant and has a 
problem you going to think about taking her to the vet.  What if she 
dies because of the pups being too big or any number of reasons that 
dogs or people for that matter die in childbirth.
>    
>   Convince me you are a responsible breeder whether its a one time 
litter or you plan on doing it again.
>   I'm ready to hear your story.
>    
>   Nonnie
>    
>     
>   -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melody Pedersen
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 6:01 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] "Nonnie"
> 
> 
>       Nonnie
>   First of all I did not ask your opinion, and second of all my 
dog are very well taken care of.  I do not appreciate an hateful 
email such as yours.  I"m an educated woman and I would not put my 
dogs at any harm.  My dogs probably live a better life than most 
humans!!!!!!!!!!!!   After all, you do not know me, therefore do not 
judge me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   If  you have such strong opinons 
against  dogs, and breeding, then why are you even a member of this 
group?  You should be ashame to post such an hateful response.  
> 
> Nonnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         some people should NEVER start breeding.  What is so 
outstanding that more dogs need to be created that someday will face 
being Put To Sleep at a shelter??????  Aren't there enough dogs and 
animals dying every day... but of course.. it would NEVER happen to 
anything anyone bred personally right.
>    
>   I'd consider the whole breeding issue again..... WHY DO YOU DO 
IT.. bottom line is MONEY in my opinion or STUPIDITY ties as a close 
second!
>    
>   Nonnie
>     
>   -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marsha
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] "marsha"
> 
> 
>        
>   Not a stupid question at all. At least not as stupid as asking 
others where your own website is, lol. Seriously, if you are new to 
breeding, there is absolutely nothing stupid or unusual about not 
being able to tell for sure at 6 weeks. Most of the time, they are 
showing by this time, but not always. 
>    
>   First, I would wait at least another week before I bothered to 
go to the vet. No sense paying a lot of money when you still have 
some time. Second, yes, staying swollen is one indication of 
possible pregnancy.
>    
>   I want to share the same website with you that I share with all 
new breeders who want generalized answers. I think it is one of the 
best websites to get the basics.  www.debbiejensen.com
>    
>   There is a link on this site that shows you how to palpitate to 
see if you can feel anything. There are also other signs to look for.
>    
>   If you have any questions, feel free to ask anyone on the group. 
Also, there is a great yahoo group of chi breeders that has 
excellent advice to offer.. Sometimes they can get a bit harsh if 
they feel your breeding is not up to their standards, but you could 
still listen in to what others have to say and will learn a lot. 
That site is the  chipregnancy yahoo group.
>    
>   Finally, there is a smaller group that has breeders that can 
offer excellent advice and you will not get the hassle from them 
that you may get on the larger group. However, I would have to check 
with the group owner before posting that group, as she is particular 
about making sure no one joins who wants to fuss.
>    
>   Feel free to ask questions! We all gotta start somewhere!
>    
>   Marsha
>    
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Melody Pedersen 
>   To: [email protected] 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] "marsha"
>   
> 
>       Marsha,
>     Ok, here is another stupid question......I'm new at this so 
please forgive me.  I had my female chi bred, almost 6 weeks ago.  
My breeder thinks she might be pregnant, but I"m still not for 
sure.  So if her 'private' area is still swollen, b/c hers' is, is 
that a sign that she is preg?  I would like for her to be, but I'm 
tired of the guessing  game?   I'm seriously thinking of taking her 
to the vet on Monday to get the answer to my question, it is driving 
me crazy.!!!!!!!!!!!   Unless you can tell me............. Thanks 
for any help.  Melody
> 
> marsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>          
>    
>    
>   no need to worry. Well, your a guy, maybe you need to worry 
about her PMS? lol, jk. She is fine as far as swelling goes. It will 
go away as the heat cycle ends unless she is pregnant. 
>    
>   Marsha
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Don 
>   To: [email protected] 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:12 AM
>   Subject: [Chihuahuas] Concerned Father
>   
> 
>     My little Pepper just went into her first heat cycle and I am 
jus 
> wondering how long I can expect this to last? I have read up to 3 
weeks 
> and if that is so then she nearing that mark. I am concerned 
though 
> given the fact that her "female parts" are more swollen then they 
have 
> been the prior 2 weeks. Is this normal or do I have reason to be 
> concerned?
> 
> Thanks
> Don
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