Nancy, Do you know what a good breeder is to me? It is someone who will have very limited amount of dogs, specializing in only one breed. Some one who is going to breed for the standard that the breed calls for. Some one who understands bloodlines and is only going to breed healthy champions. Some one who sees the possibility that their maybe hereditary faults in their stock and then won't breed them. I am not saying for all not to breed, and I should have said that in my first post. I am saying that I feel only true professional champion quality dogs should be bred. Their are way to many pet quality dogs in the shelters. In my opinion anyone who does not breed true to the standard and for champions isn't doing anything different then what most backyard breeders do. Their is typically three types of breeders; Professional Show Dog Breeders, Backyard Breeders, Puppy Mill Breeders.
When it comes to professional show dog breeders, I am not referring to the fanatic's like the ones that almost ruined the german shepherd breed and a couple of other breeds. They were trying to breed what they thought the breed should look like, not what that particular breed already had established in its ancestry. I am refering to good quality, already established breed lines. Most breeds today, don't look anything like what their standard calls for. The reason why AKC was first formed was for people to breed the standard only and thus keep strong healthy lines going. Unfortunately, even they are a part of the problem, because they let any one including PM's to register their dogs. Money speaks, and AKC went for it. Many people have lost their respect for them because of it. Having a dog registered does not reassure a good blood-line anymore, unless you research that blood-line before you breed. Years ago I had a true champion line chocolate male mini-poodle. Today when I see a mini poodle, here on the east coast, it looks more like a fat, long bodied, curly, short-legged, Doxie-mix! They don't look anything like the standard at all. Other then show dogs, you never see a poodle on the street that looks anything near the standard and I am not talking about their grooming style either. This is true of so many breeds, which is one of the major reasons for so many health issues. Now look at what they have done with the so called Designer-Dogs, you can't even tell what the majority of these dogs are suppose to be. No one was breeding them to start a new stronger breed-line, or breed them to pull out faults. So yes, we do need to keep our breeds going, but only good stock. Personally, I feel that for now, during this generation, that the average person is only looking for a good pet and until the Euth numbers go down, it is not necessary for any one to breed their pet, but to adopt from the shelters and rescues and give these dogs a chance to live. I did stud out my poodle, but that ways 40 years ago when we didn't have high numbers of dogs in shelters being killed everyday. I really wanted to breed the maltese's that I had too, but I knew deep in my heart that I would only be adding to the already existing problems that we have today. I really miss my maltese babies and still sometimes think how nice it would be to have a couple of the grandfurs, but then, what about the rest of them?; They would have been sold and added to the numbers, so I had them fixed and removed the temptation. To be honest, I would love to have Gigi's babies too, and I did entertain the idea for a while, but thank goodness I didn't. I think all of us want our babies to live on forever and know that the only way to have a part of them is through their babies, but we have to look at the bigger picture of things in life and not just what we want for ourselves. I think your idea of us all putting our heads together and try to come up with some ideas to help the current issues, is a good one, and I am going to give it some serious thought. For me right now, I try to network for the shelters dogs and let others know that they are available and hope that some one will see that post and rescue it. I have had many dogs pulled and placed this past year, and it makes me feel so good that I contributed in helping the problem, rather then just talk about it. As far as your babies go, I am glad that you found them. Their are all different situations where dogs need our help. Sometimes it is not always a cut and dry situation, so you should not feel any guilt in purchasing them. That breeder did sell you healthy dogs, so that has to account for something. If you should ever feel that her dogs are neglected, you always have the option of reporting her to the authorities. I personally feel that people like her should be forced to have a licensed so that they are checked up on all the time. Not only that, but people who breed just to sell them are getting a way with a lot because it is unreported income too. If you figure out how many dogs she has and how many pups she sells for the year, I bet it is a very nice tax free nest. ♥ Peggy & The Girls ♥ -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Lucky <[email protected]> To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 2:12 am Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Together we can make a difference.... if we believe! Very well said - that is why I would never ever breed my baby - for one thing I could never give them up as they would be my grand dogs. I swore that my next dog would be a rescue and I went back on that promise. For one reason is my breeder borderlines on being a hoarder she has 26 dogs and is now getting rid of a lot of the older females. My daughter found her several days after my Sami died and I was so depressed that of course I took her. But the Breeder really wanted me to take the boy because I know she wanted to breed Abbey. Then when she called me about Maggie I just thought of all those dogs and the room they have set up for them. How much personal love and care can you get when you have that many animals? They do not even have a grass area for the dogs to play on. Then when I went to pick up Maggie and Linda (the breeder) did not even want to hold Abbey or pet her I felt that I was saving Maggie from a life of being a baby factory and then when she is no longer valuable they would sell her off. I had a real reality check the second time around as I thought that I had bought from a great breeder - but my eyes were not clouded with tears this time and I paid attention to every detail. She tried to sell my daughter one of her females that she said was 3 years old but I know that she was over 6 for 500.00 and told us that she was a 2,000 dog. Then to top it off she told me that Maggie would be terrorized and scared probably for days as she would miss them so much. Maggie walked into my home and was happy from day one. She snuggled in my bed and kissed me all night long and I do believe that she knew Abbey was her sister. She knew that she was so loved and she was so happy to be home. But I am not buying anymore of Linda's stories as she told me she had to size down because of her health and her daughters health and guess what - when we went there she had three pregnant dogs. Maggie is a happy and healthy and very loved puppy. I doubt if she ever misses where she comes from. But this is it for me, if I ever do get another animal it will definitely be from a shelter. I do donate clothes, treats and blankets to the shelter and a few times in my life a stray has come in my life and I found them wonderful homes with my daughter and family. When ever I hear of a Chi running around town, I get in the car and go looking for it. But I do have some quilt as I did not keep my promise - but sometimes for other reasons things just do not always turn out the way we had hoped. I could not even imagine having to put down a healthy pet and I think it would haunt me forever - but maybe that is what the world needs to see! Quit sugar coating every thing - let the world see the truth and then and only then we might see a change. Do you know that during the Holocaust people did not believe it and thought it was all propaganda. My mother in law had saved all the news papers during that time and you would not believe the garbage and lies that were in them. I am sending this to every animal love I know. I think as a group we need to come up with an idea next year on how we might change something to make it better for our dear beloved friends. We have so many smart women in this group with such a passion that we could put our heads together and see if we can even make one small change to make it a better world for our precious animal friends. I think that should be our focus next year as a group. What do you all think? Start thinking of ideas and after the holidays lets start writing them down and brainstorming. I could not imagine how wonderful we would all feel. Blessings and love to all, Nancy, Abbey-Rose and Maggie-Mae We could even do something as simple as a fund raiser for the lady who does the show Highway to Heaven (might of got that name wrong) or the lady who saves the Pitbulls ~ then who knows maybe we can work on getting some bills passed, my girlfriend did it on behalf of disabled people so she could guide us. Sweet Dreams.... my wonderful friends --- On Sun, 11/28/10, Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> wrote: From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Get A Tissue / Need To Get Rid Of Your Pet? SAD :( To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 9:59 PM Worst then what she wrote are the video's on U-Tube. Extremely graphic,especially the gas chambers, showing the real cold truth. People don't want to hear the whole cold truth. Those video's have been their for years and it still doesn't stop the average pet owner from wanting to breed their cute little pet. Who is to guarantee that a year or even a few years down the road, that your pet's puppies are won't be on death row? They don't all come from Puppy Mills! I just looked at DogsInDanger.com for Chi's in CA shelters, and as usual I am sick! I gave up counting after 50! That site gives the Euth date on each dogs picture, and believe me they do it! TO CHI OWNERS WHO WANT TO BREED THEIR CUTE LITTLE BABIES.....GO HAVE A LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE FACES AND TELL ME THAT YOU CAN GUARANTEE, THAT FOR THE NEXT 16-18 YEARS OF YOUR BRED PUPPIES, THAT THEY WON'T EVER END UP ON A EUTH LIST ONCE YOU SELL THEM! I don't get it, Doesn't looking at Petfinders alone, tell people not to breed? Doesn't the fact that their are 13,596 Chi's on that list that need homes make a person wonder where they all came from? Doesn't 13,596 Chi's make you want to adopt rather then buy from anyone? Each time a person buys a dog, whether it is from a pet shop or a private breeder, you have just taken away the chance for one of those 13,596 chi's from ever having a home and most of them will be put down because of it. Again, I will remind everyone, NOT ALL THE DOGS ON PETFINDERS ARE WITH RESCUES, THE MAJORITY OF THAT NUMBER ARE IN KILL SHELTERS! Let the private breeder be responsible for the next 18 years for the litters that they create. You bring them into the world, then you should be responsible for them for their whole life! Just the way the PM's should be responsible for every single dog that they create. Considering the Euth rate keeps getting worse and worse, I fail to see what the difference is between anyone who breeds dogs, while we are killing them by the thousands every single day.. Wake up America! The truth always hurts! ID/Micro-chip, ADOPT and Don't Breed, Don't Buy!! ♥ Peggy & The Girls ♥ -----Original Message----- From: Kavi <[email protected]> To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 12:04 am Subject: [Chihuahuas] Get A Tissue / Need To Get Rid Of Your Pet? SAD :( Found this on Craigslist of Las Vegas Please get a tissue before reading, or if your really sensitive, please do not read. This is about Dogs that die in shelters when there time is up and how it is done. ********************************************************************************* Need to get rid or your Pet? I think our society needs a huge "Wake-up" call. As a shelter manager, I am going to share a little insight with you all...a view from the inside if you will. First off, all of you breeders/sellers should be made to work in the "back" of an animal shelter for just one day. Maybe if you saw the life drain from a few sad, lost, confused eyes, you would change your mind about breeding and selling to people you don't even know. That puppy you just sold will most likely end up in my shelter when it's not a cute little puppy anymore. So how would you feel if you knew that there's about a 90% chance that dog will never walk out of the shelter it is going to be dumped at? Purebred or not! About 50% of all of the dogs that are "owner surrenders" or "strays", that come into my shelter are purebred dogs. The most common excuses I hear are; "We are moving and we can't take our dog (or cat)." Really? Where are you moving too that doesn't allow pets? Or they say "The dog got bigger than we thought it would". How big did you think a German Shepherd would get? "We don't have time for her". Really? I work a 10-12 hour day and still have time for my 6 dogs! "She's tearing up our yard". How about making her a part of your family? They always tell me "We just don't want to have to stress about finding a place for her we know she'll get adopted, she's a good dog". Odds are your pet won't get adopted & how stressful do you think being in a shelter is? Well, let me tell you, your pet has 72 hours to find a new family from the moment you drop it off. Sometimes a little longer if the shelter isn't full and your dog manages to stay completely healthy. If it sniffles, it dies. Your pet will be confined to a small run/kennel in a room with about 25 other barking or crying animals. It will have to relieve itself where it eats and sleeps. It will be depressed and it will cry constantly for the family that abandoned it. If your pet is lucky, I will have enough volunteers in that day to take him/her for a walk. If I don't, your pet won't get any attention besides having a bowl of food slid under the kennel door and the waste sprayed out of its pen with a high-powered hose. If your dog is big, black or any of the "Bully" breeds (pit bull, rottie, mastiff, etc) it was pretty much dead when you walked it through the front door. Those dogs just don't get adopted. It doesn't matter how 'sweet' or 'well behaved' they are. If your dog doesn't get adopted within its 72 hours and the shelter is full, it will be destroyed. If the shelter isn't full and your dog is good enough, and of a desirable enough breed it may get a stay of execution, but not for long . Most dogs get very kennel protective after about a week and are destroyed for showing aggression. Even the sweetest dogs will turn in this environment. If your pet makes it over all of those hurdles chances are it will get kennel cough or an upper respiratory infection and will be destroyed because shelters just don't have the funds to pay for even a $100 treatment. Here's a little euthanasia 101 for those of you that have never witnessed a perfectly healthy, scared animal being "put-down". First, your pet will be taken from its kennel on a leash. They always look like they think they are going for a walk happy, wagging their tails. Until they get to "The Room", every one of them freaks out and puts on the brakes when we get to the door. It must smell like death or they can feel the sad souls that are left in there, it's strange, but it happens with every one of them. Your dog or cat will be restrained, held down by 1 or 2 vet techs depending on the size and how freaked out they are. Then a euthanasia tech or a vet will start the process. They will find a vein in the front leg and inject a lethal dose of the "pink stuff". Hopefully your pet doesn't panic from being restrained and jerk. I've seen the needles tear out of a leg and been covered with the resulting blood and been deafened by the yelps and screams. They all don't just "go to sleep", sometimes they spasm for a while, gasp for air and defecate on themselves. When it all ends, your pets corpse will be stacked like firewood in a large freezer in the back with all of the other animals that were killed waiting to be picked up like garbage. What happens next? Cremated? Taken to the dump? Rendered into pet food? You'll never know and it probably won't even cross your mind. It was just an animal and you can always buy another one, right? I hope that those of you that have read this are bawling your eyes out and can't get the pictures out of your head I deal with everyday on the way home from work. I hate my job, I hate that it exists & I hate that it will always be there unless you people make some changes and realize that the lives you are affecting go much farther than the pets you dump at a shelter. Between 9 and 11 MILLION animals die every year in shelters and only you can stop it. I do my best to save every life I can but rescues are always full, and there are more animals coming in everyday than there are homes. My point to all of this DON'T BREED OR BUY WHILE SHELTER PETS DIE! Hate me if you want to. The truth hurts and reality is what it is. I just hope I maybe changed one persons mind about breeding their dog, taking their loving pet to a shelter, or buying a dog. I hope that someone will walk into my shelter and say "I saw this and it made me want to adopt". THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORTH IT For those of you that care--- please repost this to at least one other craiglist in another city/state. Let's see if we can get this all around the US and have an impact. ******************************************************************************* "My Chihuahua Ricky, Is A Heartbeat At My Feet." Kavi's Christening N Communion Store Children's Christening, Communion, Formal Wear + More http://stores.ebay.com/Kavis-Christening-n-Communion-Store
