All I have to say as a breeder that I believe I am responsible and I read your post Peggy and still consider you a very good friend. Mare -------Original Message------- From: Peggy & The Girls Date: 1/27/2011 4:11:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow Hi Beth, I don't have anything against breeding dogs, as long as they are good show quality, bred to the standard of the breed, and not the average pet quality. Only let them have one litter per year for a couple of years and then get spayed. We need good stock for most breeds. This is one of the reasons why their are so many health issues with the dogs of today because they are ill bred to begin with. Their are thousands of pet quality Chi's and other breeds in shelters and rescues, that's where they come from, peoples pets, BYB, PM's. True most of them start from the PM's and then are sold as a pet and then are bred, because the owner wants one of their own puppies. It just that no one can guarantee that a couple of years from now, those cute puppies that they bred four years ago are now in a shelter waiting to be PD. If that fact weren't true, you wouldn't have so many in shelters to begin with. If their weren't so many shelter dogs that needed homes right now, I am sure that some of my views on the subject would be different. But when you network for dogs that are in shelters and see their faces and then the next day their faces are not on the list anymore, because it was their last day on this horrible earth...it does a job on you, and you try so hard to get people to understand to please don't breed, don't buy...instead, save a shelter dogs life, he deserves to live! Right now, because of the way things are, for every pup that is brought into this world, it has just taken away the chance of a shelter dog from having a home. That's the cold hearted truth, and many people don't want to except that reality, unfortunately. I wish that every person that says they truly love dogs, would try to do something to help all of these shelter dogs. Their are so many ways, like networking for them, not breeding any breed, not buying a dog, giving to a shelter either in donations, or food, blankets, toys, bowls, whatever, rescue, foster, etc. It has to be a joint effort for all dog lovers to stop the massacre of thousands of dogs every day across the states. The sad truth is that more and more people are breeding their pets just to supplement their income, during hard times. Why else would a person want to breed, especially since they know that so many shelter dogs need homes. If they are not breeding to improve that particular breed and are not in such a program, then they are just breeding pets for the money and no other reason. I know that a lot of people say they don't breed just for the money, but because they just wanted one of their pets puppies, and they are telling the truth, but then what about the rest of the litter? It just added to the rest of the list. You can't breed without having made money, unless you intend to give all the pups away for free, before you even breed your pet, and that still doesn't solve the issue that they may wind up in a shelter years down the road. The statistics show for today, that for every litter of 6 pups born 3.2 of them will die before the age of 5 and at least 2 of them will end up in a shelter or rescue by the age of 3. That's how bad the dog world has really gotten just within the past three years. It's not like it was years ago when their wasn't so many shelter dogs, and we bred our pups to share the joy with others. It is different today, and people have to recognize that if we want to see the Euth list go down, then don't breed your pet. If you must breed, then only breed good show quality to the standard to stop all the unwanted medical and training issues that pet owners are facing today and keep track of your stock for years to come and make sure that they don't end up in a shelter. I don't mean to offend any one on here, but these are the cold facts the way I see them. I don't see any other solution to the Euth rate, except to stop breeding pet quality dogs, whether it be a persons pet, the backyard breeder or the puppy mills, so that they to do not end up in a shelter some where along their life. -------Original Message------- From: Beth Michl Date: 1/27/2011 4:36:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow Hi Peggy, My intention was to breed Dani when I first bought her. After all the work she was,"more then any pup I had ever had" I was going to breed her and keep one of her pups, but Dani is nothing like Smidgen & Chassis the two couch potato's. I would have had homes for any of the others if there had been any
I have bred dogs off and on for the last 25 years & only one came back to me as the couple that bought him separated. I always told any one that bought one of my pups if they EVER had to give the dog up, I would take it. He had his forever home the next day, and lived 14 years. I guess I would have been considered a back yard breeder, as I didnt have a kennel like my cousin did in Washington. I only would breed my female twice and then get them spayed. Mind you I only had one dog. I would wait a year in between. I never did it for money either. Beth --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> wrote: From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 11:43 AM Beth, that's interesting when you said " I did have a bit of regret as I was dropping her off.. Knowing I would never get puppies from her.. " I felt the same way when I had Gigi spayed. I did actually entertain the idea of having one litter from her before I got her spayed, but then, the temptation left me when I felt guilty about having such a thought. She was a Back Yard Breeder and had already gone through so much, and what a hypocrite I would be, had I done that, since I advocate rescuing rather then buying. I guess it is a natural feeling, since they are our babies and we want them around for ever, even in their off spring. You and I did the right thing.... so no regrets...okay? Peg -------Original Message------- From: Beth Michl Date: 1/27/2011 2:09:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow Yes they do.. I was in line with about 20 other people with dogs. I am not sure how many they do in one day, but by the looks of it allot. I am sure there is more then one doctor preforming the surgeries. The Humane Soc. in San Bernardino is a new facility, very nice compared to what it was a few years ago. One thing they didn't do that the paper work said they would do is clip her nails. No biggy as I can do my dogs myself, although Dani I do need my boyfriend to hold her as she is a wiggle worm. Just glad it is over.. I did have a bit of regret as I was dropping her off. Knowing I would never get puppies from her.. --- On Thu, 1/27/11, maryjane turner <[email protected]> wrote: From: maryjane turner <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:59 AM and, Beth, I assume the vet at the Humane Society does many many spays and probably is the one who has the most experience. so glad all On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Beth Michl wrote: Hi Maryjane... I had it done at our local Humane Soc. Much better pricing then my local vet It is where I had all her shots done too. Thank you for thinking of us!! Beth --- On Thu, 1/27/11, maryjane turner <[email protected]> wrote: From: maryjane turner <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 9:28 AM Yay for you both! So glad that both of you got through yesterday and are now back together and happy. Sounds like a reasonable price so Yay for your vet too. glad to hear that all went well and that she is recovering nicely. hugs, mj and benji girl On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Beth Michl wrote: Okay everyone.. Dani did well yesterday.. I made it through too.. I have to addmit I cried when I had to hand her over.. Just something about handing them off.. When I picked her up she was happy to see me.. She was drool n on her self. I had her microchiped too. She was a bit restless last night so I gave her some of the pain meds that I paid extra for. The total for spaying and microchip $115.00 So not too bad. I am just happy she is okay... Beth --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Nancy Lucky <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nancy Lucky <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 9:31 PM She will do fine, Abbey did not even use a cone and left her surgery site alone. I did ask for pain meds and I am glad I did as the second and third day she was uncomfortable - then it was like nothing happened at all. I also bought some baby food (meat) for her when she got home. Let us know how she is doing tomorrow. When you are gifted... give; when you learn... teach Nancy, Abbey-Rose and Maggie-Mae --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Beth Michl <[email protected]> wrote: From: Beth Michl <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 2:00 PM Hi Valerie, I have a cone if i need to put it on her.. I am just hoping it all goes smooth. Beth --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Valerie Mockett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Valerie Mockett <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 1:50 PM Beth, My little Lola was spayed at the shelter when I got her. I don't think she had to much pain and that is without any pain meds. They glued the incision and didn't give her a cone. The problem I had was that when I was a work or sleeping she would lick at it and it opened and had to be reglued many days later. Valerie --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Beth Michl <[email protected]> wrote: From: Beth Michl <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 1:31 PM I think she will be okay!! It me ladies!! I am the one that is a mess..LOL Beth --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Joan Croft <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joan Croft <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 1:21 PM Hi all, I had to go to California and was leaving Dolly to be boarded and I asked if they would spay her on Monday morning and I would be back in the afternoon to pick her up. They said they would do it on Saturday and monitor her there. When I got back she was groggy from the pain meds but it really didn’t seem to phase her too much (2 days later). I had to take Desi to be neutered before 4 months…he had a genetic problem where one of his testicles was not attached to the kidney. The vet had to make several incisions to finally find where the testicle was floating freely inside. At the same time, the vet removed his dewclaws. Desi has never been a quite resting puppy…and he was running around the house even with his little paws hurting from having the dewclaws removed. I think that our little ones don’t feel as much pain as we humans do. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow Hi, Beth. I have had two chihuahuas fixed. My female was groggy and just wanted to sleep for the next 24 hours. My male was, if anything, more energized than ever. I had to keep him crated sometimes because he would run around the house like it was a racetrack. Crazy. He was eating that night, no problem. My female looked at me as if to say, "How could you?" She didn't eat until the next day. Thank God for Nutrical. They both made full recoveries and are as healthy as ever. Good luck and Dani will definitely be in my prayers. Laura -----Original Message----- From: Beth M <[email protected]> To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 1:23 pm Subject: [Chihuahuas] Dani's Surgery tomorrow I am getting that nervous feeling in my stomach today. Dani is getting spayed tomorrow, and I always get nervous about any surgery on my babies. I drop her off at 7:30 am and pick her up by 4:30. Having it done at the SB Humane Soc. I am taking the day off, just cause I know I won't be able to think about work.. LOL.. Say a prayer for Dani!!! Beth, Smidgen Chassis & Danigirl..
