Yes, I could see her knee surgery also may inhibit her not wanting to walk a lot. Allergies tire out people and so does some of the meds that are used to combat the allergy, so I would think that perhaps dogs can feel the same way
We had the same issue at our dog parks. It wasn't until I and a couple of others petitioned the parks department and pushed for signs that they finally posted them. The small dog run says only dogs 30 pounds and under are allowed. But some times even a rambunctious 20 pound dog can be too much for a chi. So I have to be careful and check out the dogs before I put Gigi down. Yesterday we had the same type of person at the dog park as the one you once encounted, her puppy, which was a Labadoddle and his head was as high as my hip! Peggy -------Original Message------- From: Joan Croft Date: 5/9/2011 5:24:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Joan Croft Walks Maybe. Dolly also had the knee surgery about 14 months ago. Desi goes on the walks, but I think he views it as a way to try to attract the attention of other dogs. I think he might walk farther than Dolly would. I really think about taking him to a dog park to see what happens. Dolly is afraid and wants me to hold her all the time. I think Desi would have fun, but not sure what would happen if a dog larger than Mandy was there I dont know if he would get scared or just go up to it and try to wrestle. We have a dog park with two areas one for small dogs and one for bigger dogs. There is a sign on the gate saying that no dogs over a certain amount of pounds. The one time that I took Dolly there were some pretty big dogs, and the owners just said well they are just puppies and we dont want them to get hurt by the bigger dogs. Someone told her that doesnt matter and she said she has just as much right to have her puppy in there as others have their full grown dogs in there. Yep I guess it doesnt matter if a little one gets trampled on. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peggy & The Girls Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Joan Croft Walks Joan, Gigi loves to go for long walks and out does my Eskie with it too!! I was very surprised by this when I first got her. Today we went for an hours walk, and then I came back and to drop them off so I could go to the store, when I went to leave she wanted to come with me, nothing unusual about that, LOL, but when we got outside she wanted to run and roll around in the grass again and then when I approached the car she didn't want to go in the car, but tried to pull towards the street for another walk. You would think, that after an hours straight walk she would just want to settle down to a nap, like Princess does. Yet she is not a hyper dog at all, like Princess can be. She loves, loves, loves to walk and on a leash, as opposed to a free walk. Go figure....I think she had kids in her previous home that ran a lot with her on a leash, and it was probably her favorite thing to do. She doesn't tire even after an hour! I think you babies can't handle it because of respiratory problems. -------Original Message------- From: Joan Croft Date: 5/9/2011 4:48:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - sooner if something can be arranged I am wondering if she was raised on a big parcel of land a farm or a ranch. She loves to be outside and walking that far (I have to say that if I ever walked that far, I would be carrying two Chihuahuas back home because they get tired and Dolly starts lagging behind and then tries to scratch at the back of my legs so I can pick her up because she is tired.) So maybe due to coming from a place where she could have lots of space to run outside that she was never confined until she was rescued somewhere before you got her. The kennel or whatever she was in before you got her, was probably scary to her. Her first encounter may have been animal control picking her up and putting her into one of those little cubbies on their truck and then taken to a shelter and put into another cage. I do understand that you have to keep her away from your other dog because of the kennel cough. I think perhaps that I missed something. Neither of my dogs have had kennel cough, but Dolly has had numerous respiratory infections. Just as humans, dogs need to rest when they are ill. I dont know where you live and what the pollen and allergen levels are, but the kennel cough may require a little different treatment than if Pia did not have it. I know, as a human with respiratory infections, that even though I might want to go to the mall and walk, it will take a toll on me and then I will be worse for several days because my respiratory system could not handle that much exercise when the respiratory system is compromised. Adding to that, the pollen and allergens in the air, it takes too long to recover and if I were to continue doing it, then I would be sick for a very long time. Pia may be feeling very weak after walking, even though she loves to walk. But in my experience (Me and Dolly) things return to normal very fast if rest is given and the bodies can fight the infection/kennel cough faster when allowed some rest. This is one other thing that I have found has worked. Sometimes when I am going to be gone for a longer period of time, I leave the TV or the radio on Imagine yourself somewhere that is enclosed and you have only ¼ of a mile to walk back and forth. You dont see anything out windows, you dont hear any noises just you and there is nothing to distract you from this horrible silence. Someone told me this once, and it worked for mine. My neighbors dog started to be destructive when they were gone to work and they started leaving the radio on for her, and that worked. Maybe you turn on the TV or the radio while you are working; then you turn it on when you go out. She may learn that being in that hallway is not as scary and quiet as it is without the background noise. Just trying to pull out of my brain things that have helped me. Does she like to eat? Desi has some treat toys where I put his kibble in and he has to roll or push them. You could break up a couple of treats and maybe even put them in the middle of a rolled up blanket and it can keep her occupied for quite a while and that is what I had to do for my Desi who loves food but has so much energy that just giving him a treat it will be gone in nothing flat. I hide them in his toys, or under the padding of his bed and it stimulates his mind as well as getting the treats that he so loves. Good luck I dont know if any of this helps. Do you need to keep Pia until she is over the KC, or can they find another foster while she is still recovering? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of freddyscribbles Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - sooner if something can be arranged Thanks so much Joan. As I said - snuggles seem to just make things so much worse. SO much worse. Petting seems to keep things manageable. I discovered that Pia really seems to enjoy walking when I'd get her out to go to the toilet out in the garden. We'd walk all over the garden so long as the grass was short. I started her out slowly - a few short walks up to a dumpster and back. Than to the cul de sac and back. Today we ended up going all the way down to the wash and back - a two mile circuit. She had as much if not more energy than the larger dog walking with us. And I'm pretty sure that if I let her, she'd have kept right on walking. She's a pretty compact, muscular little thing now that she's' got some nutrition. It also seems to help ease some of the psychological tension. Of everything I tried, walking is the ONLY thing that seems to have any positive effect. She hides her toys. She hasn't figured out how to play with them yet. Her hallway is quite long. L-shaped. Probably 8 feet and then another 5-6 around the corner. She's got plenty of room to tear around if she wanted to. I have tried taking your advice regarding treats and enclosures and leaving. When we come back from walks, I usually put her bed in the living room by the window so she can be near bye while I get my dose of morning exercise. Than it's Pia time. Quiet games. A little training (sit) for mental stimulation. Her food freshly prepared. All GOOD positive things. Done in her enclosure. So that the hallway can be associated (TRYING) with positive things like attention. And petting. And play time. And food. I am trying not to stress. When she howls, I leave. I go to another part of the house. Away from her. Or, if I'm trying to correct the problem, I may leave, gather my thoughts, calm my mind, and get focused for working with the dog. I never work with her when I'm stressed because I know she will sense it. And that is all she'd be focusing on. So.....as I said. I'm listening. I'm trying. I'm not really sure anything is actually working. But...still trying. --- In [email protected], Joan Croft <joan_croft@...> wrote: > > Hi Autumn. > > Just a few things that I thought of as I was reading your post: > > I do not think that the long walks are needed. If you are walking her so > much, then she is probably hungry because she is using so many calories by > all the walking that you are doing. She may also be sore because you have > to remember how short her legs are.how many steps she has to take to match > your one step. She comes home exhausted and she probably just needs some > time for you to hold her and talk to her. > > You come home from a long walk; you put her in her area; and then you give > her a toy; and then she starts howling, whining, or whatever. Have you ever > brought her home from those long walks and then you take off her leash, and > then play with the toy with her? > > If she has not ever had toys before, she may not know what she is supposed > to do with them except to have someone play with the toy with her. I don't > know how long the hallway is where her little area is, but maybe just > throwing the toy a few times and having her bring it back to you is exercise > to burn off some of her energy and also a behavior that dogs like to > do.fetch; and also something that will bond the two of you. > > Also, if you are stressed, she can pick up on that. She may think that she > is doing something wrong to make you feel that way. She may feel your > stress and wants to comfort you. > > Dolly has always been pretty calm, she had a major respiratory infection > when I got her and was sick for three weeks before the vet cleared her of > taking the antibiotics. Yes, I did hold her. I would talk to her and then > when she was comfortable and relaxed, I would place her in her bed. Each > day, I was able to get her relaxed and asleep and then could put her in her > bed a shorter time after she fell asleep. Within a week, she would no > longer come to me when it was her nap time, but she would go to her little > bed and take her nap. I think that the first few times that I put her in > her little 'gated community' she was barking and crying, but I had to go to > an appointment. So, I gave her a little treat and told her that I would be > right back. So, I just kept doing the same thing, last thing before I leave > give her the treat, go out through the laundry room so I would shut that > door, and then she would hear the alarm. She learned the routine and it > didn't take long until I would give her the treat and then leave and she was > not barking at all and then eventually it became that she LOVES when I go > out because she gets a cookie, and she knows that when I give it to her and > tell her that I will be right back, that I really will and do. > > Autumn, each person is different, each dog is different. If the two don't > exactly make a good match it is not failure. It was a test, you took the > chance, you gave the dog a chance. It is good that you have identified that > the two of you are not really meant to be together and instead of you being > stressed all the time, and her feeling that stress and not having the other > dog that you think she needs to play with, you are making the decision to > re-home her. That is admirable. > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of freddyscribbles > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - sooner if > something can be arranged > > > > > > Okay folks - this is an SOS. > > I had the best intentions. I still do. But I do not think I will be able to > maintain 'calm assertive pack leader' much longer. It cannot be a good thing > when, in the back of your mind, you kind of quietly wish you could let her > 'escape' for the coyotes - at least than I could get some sleep - it's like > mothers with those super crying babies... Before I start getting hate mail - > I would never do this. Nor would I ever return her to the shelter. But this > is not a mental state conducive to bringing around a neurotic dog. This dog > deserves better than what I am able to provide. Or maybe I am what she > needs. But I do not feel in the least bit bonded to this little girl. At > all. I feel responsible. And exasperated. Which in some ways is good because > it means I take her rehabilitation seriously. > > Bottom line - > > This just isn't working out between us. There is what you'd call a huge > compatibility issue. > > I have found a dog that is way too high energy for what I am currently able > to accommodate. With quite a few more psychological/behavioral issues than I > am prepared to address or experienced enough to correct. > > Every day is a constant battle of wills. I'm a stubborn bugger. So is she. > My house. My rules. But it's a constant 'Shut up shut up shut up!' Scream > your heart out. You will not get your way. Again - before someone tells me > this is cruel...I do NOT cater to bad behavior. I have worked to correct it. > I have gone in, back to her, calm, assertive, and backed her into bed. And > left. That usually puts her into an easy state of mind. At least for a > little while. Than...the howling. > > This increasing tension can't be healthy for either of us. Could I turn her > into a calm submissive ideal pet? Probably. I absolutely believe that she > will be easy to rehabilitate and turn into an ideal canine citizen. I just > don't have the experience to do this. And this calm, assertive pack leader > is increasingly fed up with the howling. And screaming.. And whining. And > scratching at the back of the door. Could I give in and save myself a few > headaches? Yes. Absolutely. Am I going to? No. > > I am pack leader. > > These are my rules - at night, you sleep in the bathroom. When I am working, > you are in the hallway because it is the same as if I were not home. When I > am 'home', you can be over by the door in my line of sight. Howling is not > answered. Period. I will NOT reinforce bad behavior. Even at the expense of > pulling out the last bloody hair on my head. > > I am trying. I am trying really, really bloody hard. But as I write this, > she's been put away for the evening (I'll get to that routine shortly) and > she's screaming bloody murder and it does my head in. Maybe the evening > Pet-ease will kick in soon. Wishful thinking? > > Tonight I had to go out. This was one of our better moments. I had several > meetings and I was gone for eight hours. I took her for a walk before hand - > 20 minutes to get rid of some of the excess energy. We did some very basic > reward based training when she came back. I gave her a toy. She settled > down. Then there was about 30 seconds of howling. Than she settled down > again and was fine. Granted, I'd dosed her with Pet-Ease prior to our walk > I did not put her away right before I left. I did this about an hour prior > so that being put in the hallway was not associated with my leaving. I still > walked back and forth. When I did leave, it was without ceremony. No > goodbye. No see you later. That's just stupid. And it would only make things > worse. > > I came home - she starts howling. I don't react. I don't go to see her. I > take care of other things first - turn some lights on, feed the other dog, > let the cat in, put my stuff down, use the loo, put on something > comfortable. When she stops, I go over, make her sit, put on her collar, > grab a flashlight and go for a very brief pack walk - it's dark. I'm in the > mountains. There are animals here that would happily make either of us > dinner, so a long, exhausting walk isn't an option. I'd have gone for a > proper long haul if I thought it was safe. As it is, I am now taking her for > 30-40 minutes in the morning and 30-40 minutes in the evening. 15-20 in the > afternoon. As I said - high energy dog. She desperately needs the exercise > And I like walking. Hugely adverse to my usual daily routine. But it's good > for her. So I do it. Happily. Especially if it saves my ears some anguish > later. > > We come back inside. I move her to the bathroom. We do some basic reward > training (routine - see?). And I want her to associate the bathroom with > good things and a positive, calm mental state. Also, I can hide her > medication and an evening dose (1/2 tablet) of Pet-Ease in a reward. While > she is calm, I pick her up - still in the bathroom - and give her some > affection. Than she's put on the floor. I wait. so that putting her down > isn't associated with leaving. She grabs a toy. I slip out. Within seconds > she's howling. She's still howling. It's ear piercing, head splitting. > > This is not a good advertisement for this dog. But hey, I'm sure there are > plenty of people out there who would be more than happy to give her exactly > what she wants. I am not one of them. And I'm not entirely convinced that I > can outlast her. Or maybe there's someone more experienced out there who can > do right by her and properly rehabilitate her. > > I just don't have the experience. Nor am I the type of person to give in to > a dog for my own convenience. So...we've reached an impasse. I might be able > to outlast her and get her into the proper, happy dog mental state if I > actually had people to help me. But on my own, she's just way too much for > me. > > I'm going to keep reading Cesar. I'm going to keep working on the dominance > thing. And the separation anxiety thing. > > I think affection right before bed time is a BAD idea. This dog does not do > well with affection. Exercise. Discipline. Yes. Both in quantity. Affection > just seems to exacerbate the situation ten fold. At least affection in the > way that people think of affection - the petting, the lap time. Every time I > spend lap time or petting time I end up with a worse situation than when I > started. If I can actually get her to a stronger, more consistent > calm-submissive state, than I will slowly reintroduce physical affection (of > the human variety). Until then...no go. Every time it I pick her up or pet > her (not a corrective touch), it sets all of my little bits of progress back > three steps. > > She was screaming when I started writing this email. She is still screaming. > It was 11:31pm when I started. It's 12:40 right now. > > While some behaviors are getting better. For instance, she's doing much much > better on a leash. Others are getting worse. Some days she's fine.. Some > days...I get this. Long, long, long, bouts of screaming and howling and > crying. This has been the worst to date. > > As I've said - I understand that she's been in an arguably traumatic > situation and she probably didn't come from a great home life to begin with. > I understand that she is young. And I realize that we've been together less > than a week. But this only explains the behavior. It does not make it > acceptable. And I do not think that her behavior will change without a lot > more work. > > This isn't just an adjustment issue. This is a behavioral problem. And with > a dog this unstable, and this high energy human pity would just make things > worse. There is no pity. Do I enjoy hearing her scream? No. I hate that > she's so mentally off. I want her to find balance. We are working on that. > > Please, please help. I am at my wits end. At this point - lots of exercise > and relatively rigid discipline are the only answers I can think of. And > withholding the 'human' means of affection. No petting. NO lap time. We can > do dog things like reward training. We will not do human things like petting > until this howling nonsense is nipped in the bud or she's found a home with > someone who likes having a shadow with four legs. > > I kind of feel like a horrible person for calling it quits. But I do not > have the experience to handle these problems. I am really concerned I may > inadvertently make them worse. I only have enough experience not to give > into them. I just wish I knew better how to correct them. > > -Autumn >
