Darren, Sorry you feel this way - in all honesty this friction is something the UI team may struggle with from time to time, and I hope I can explain the background of the problem to your satisfaction - Chromium's UI was something we spent a very long time going over, and the bookmarks dropdown menu was something we experimented with for a large segment of that time.
Our design was driven by watching people use existing browsers, and we found: - Most people don't (or very rarely) use bookmarks. - Those that do use the bookmarks bar. This is why we do not have a bookmarks menu in our primary UI - like many things, it's just not used by enough users to justify its presence. That said, there are a number of users (many on the Chromium UI team) who like the menu, and dislike the bookmarks bar, and as Ben suggested, we think that perhaps a customizable toolbar will be the right solution - it has its shortcomings (discoverability), but we think it's the right place to start. We are also very very wary of adding anything to our primary UI without a great deal of discussion, consideration and experimentation - once you add something, it's nearly impossible to remove. And now, back to my vacation - I hope yours is similarly enjoyable. ~ Glen On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Bizzeh <[email protected]> wrote: > > this views do intersect with my own, however i do not feel that i was > fairly treated. i feel as if i was treated as "the kid that nobody > wants around at school" because everybody is fine as they are. what i > have tried to introduce today is a feature that is a staple part of a > browser, fast no-frills access to a users bookmarks. as this was met > with critisism from the start, i tried the harder in order to win > favour for compleating the feature. which was then met with "why > should we add it when we dont know if people want it, and it might > mess up our image", which i have taken the liberty of translating "we > dont want to be anything like the other browsers at the detrement of > our own browsers usability". > > i wasnt in any way trying to be nasty or offencive. i was simply > speaking my mind about the situation in hand that should never have > risen its head. > > the least i expected was for the feature i had taken the time to > create to be considered, rather than instantly dismissed. > > Regards, > Darren > > On 16 Dec, 01:32, "Ben Goodger (Google)" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks for taking the time to send us your thoughts. >> >> Chrome functions as a project at scale by maintaining a set of >> development principles (some of which are outlined >> here:http://dev.chromium.org/developers/contributing-code). One of these >> principles is encouraging communication with each other in a >> reasonable fashion. >> >> To be a successful member of the Chromium project, you should be >> mindful of the way we work and considerate of the principles that we >> think are important (such as communicating your ideas early, building >> consensus, backing up your arguments with data where appropriate, >> being prepared to have your ideas be challenged by your peers). Coming >> in and trying to blackmail us by saying we're losing a developer if we >> don't agree with you isn't going to work. >> >> If these values don't intersect with yours, then there may not be a >> good cultural fit for you in the Chromium project. >> >> -Ben >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Bizzeh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > this has totally missed the issue, the issue is not about user >> > customisation, its about user experiance. >> >> > nowhere did i mention anything about customising the toolbar, and >> > nowhere did i limit it. >> >> > what i did do, was reduce the amount of time needed to navigate >> > bookmarks, and make it obvious that chrome actually has the feature. >> >> > please, i am not some stupid kid who will fall for tactics such as >> > avoiding the question, and creating unanswerable questions. >> >> > congratulations on loosing a potential developer >> >> > On 16 Dec, 01:16, "Ben Goodger (Google)" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am generally supportive of allowing users to put UI elements where >> >> they want, but I think the right context for this work is in allowing >> >> our toolbars to be customizable, as is possible in other software, >> >> rather than special casing this one particular issue. The end result >> >> for you, and others who have the same preferences is the same, but the >> >> way of getting there is much more powerful (and allows other people to >> >> create the configurations they want, too). >> >> >> -Ben >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Darren Horrocks >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > i have recently created a patch and submitted it to codereview >> >> >http://codereview.chromium.org/14441/show >> >> >> > the patch adds a menu button to the right of the address bar and the >> >> > menu >> >> > gives a menu of all the bookmarks within the bookmark manager and >> >> > allows for >> >> > a user to navigate to their bookmarks without the need for the bookmark >> >> > bar >> >> > or opening a new tab and then going to the bookmark button. >> >> >> > the patch was designed for generally speeding up access to the users >> >> > bookmarks, as this is one of the most complained about missing features >> >> > that >> >> > i have heard while in offices and around the web and around irc. >> >> > IE7 has the star button, IE6 had the old style dropdown menu, safari >> >> > also >> >> > has the old style dropdown menu as with IE6. firefox and opera also have >> >> > similar features directly on the main interface without the need to >> >> > waste >> >> > extra screen real estate on another toolbar we dont need. >> >> >> > as this is at most a 28 pixel reduction in the width of the address bar, >> >> > this is a far better use of the screen than 24 pixels of height in the >> >> > form >> >> > of an additional toolbar removing from the actual browser visability. >> >> >> > and as most people will only use the bookmark bar to access the "other >> >> > bookmarks" button, this truly is wasted space. >> >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Darren- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Chromium Developers mailing list: [email protected] View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
