Since we're getting all technical.... :) Standard practice, as you mentioned, is to open a Save As dialog box when hitting Ctrl-S on a previously unsaved file. However, in a browser environment, the pages you are loading have /not/ been previously saved, so hitting Ctrl-S would fit that exception and should trigger a Save As dialog box. (I don't count "temp files" as being "previously saved" because that's just silly.)
Even further, as you mentioned, browsing is an activity of reading "read-only" documents. Standard practice for hitting Ctrl-S on a read- only document is to present you with a Save As dialog box so you can choose were to save a new copy. (Some programs will notify you first that you can't save a read-only file and ask if you would you like to save it elsewhere. But many programs, such as the MS Office apps, just present you with a Save As dialog.) So it's not out of the ordinary to expect Ctrl-S to open a Save As dialog box, even in a browsing environment. --Dylan On Sep 9, 7:03 pm, Bob Oliver Bigellow XLII <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The standard I was referring to is the standard by which Windows > applications are written. Though I will admit that the way one > operating system works isn't necessarily a standard, but since most > applications are written for Windows, it is almost good enough for a > standard, especially for a Windows app. > > In ALL Windows applications that allow something to be saved... CTRL-S > is ONLY a shortcut to "SAVE"... NOT "SAVE AS"... The exception is if > the current file has never been saved and does not have a file name, > then CTRL-S prompts you for a file name. > > Web browser became a bit of an anomaly because, in theory, everyone is > just opening read-only material. As such, in theory, SAVING should > never actually be an option... because SAVE (not SAVE AS) implies that > you are saving changes to the original file exactly where it is. You > would never be prompted for a file name with a standard SAVE. > However, SAVE AS is invoked when the file either doesn't live anywhere > yet or you are wanting to create an additional copy of the file > elsewhere. This applies better to web browsers, since a standard SAVE > would imply that you are either trying to save your changes to the web > server (not possible) or are saving changes to the temporary cache > (not useful)... so, since web browsers view everything in read-only > mode, SAVE doesn't exist but SAVE AS does. > > SAVE AS never has a keyboard shortcut (unless you count ALT-F-A)... > but SAVE always has the keyboard shortcut of CTRL-S. > > So, again, sometimes standards are simply defined by practices which > have been used most often and have been understood for years (i.e., > using a floppy-disk icon for a save button even though nobody uses > floppy disks anymore.) When other browsers implemented CTRL-S to mean > "SAVE AS" in browsers, it was more of a crutch than something which > was intuitive. > > Again, I'm not against it... but it would just go against the implied > standards of the way applications have been written for years. Also, > in Google Docs, CTRL-S performs a "save" function... so, one would be > unable to use this keyboard shortcut when in such applications. > > On Sep 9, 10:51 am, Casey Dwyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I can't think of a single web browser that has "save" in addition to > > "save page as." And the only browser I can think of that doesn't map > > "save page as" to ctrl+s is IE, which is not the first browser that > > comes to mind when people think "standards." Furthermore, it you're > > speaking of a written standard, and not one you just invented, I'd > > really be interested to read it. > > > In any case, I think a lot of us are used to hitting ctrl+s to access > > the "save page as" dialog. I use it several times a day. Every > > morning, for instance, I usually save all the tabs that I haven't had > > a chance to look at so I can access them on the bus on my way to > > school. Saving multiple tabs in Firefox is as easy as ctrl+s, enter, > > ctrl+w, repeat as necessary. It takes seconds to go through several > > tabs and I don't have to touch the mouse. I've attempted this ritual > > twice in Chrome and the additional time and effort it takes it > > exponential. > > > Unless the Chrome development team can has a great reason for not > > implementing this feature, or has a better solution for it, I really > > urge them to reconsider omitting it. > > > On Sep 6, 10:37 pm, Bob Oliver Bigellow XLII <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > CTRL-S is the standard for justSave, not forSaveAs... If Chrome > > > implemented CTRL-S forSaveAs, it would go against standards. > > > > On Sep 6, 10:09 pm, Bryon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Why isn't the standard Ctrl+SshortcutforSaveAs.. implemented in > > > > chromium? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chromium-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
