Colleagues, Personally, I think Timothy Spall could make a good Churchill if given more than just two minutes on the screen. As to Lgoue and the K that never was: In his 1982 biography of George VI, Dennis Judd wrote the following with respect to Logue never receiving a knighthood for his services to the king: "Apart from handsome fees for his services, Logues received only the Royal Victorian Order. In the circumstances, it seems strange that he was never knighted. Apparantly, 'to one of his closest friends, Logue confided his hope of receiving a knighthood. That it was not fulfilled never became a grievance.'" For quoted material Judd cites a book called Harley Street by Pound. In any case, all of the biographies of George VI and the recent official biography of the Queen Mum make it clear that Logue worked extensively with the king from 1926 until the king's death in 1952. Surely it is not without significance that the Queen Mum chose another former patient of Logue, John Wheeler-Bennett (who did get a K!), to be her husband's official biographer. Cheers,
David --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Rafal H. Mankoo <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rafal H. Mankoo <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: The King's Speech To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 9:54 AM I saw the King's Speech tonight and I thought it rather mediocre. I do not think it deserves the rave reviews, the media plaudits and the numerous award nominations in has received thus far. But the cinema audience clearly enjoyed it very much. Maybe my interest in the subject makes me less objective and more critical. As Helena Bonham-Carter is a member of one of Britain's distinguished "Establishement" families, I was genuinely surprised that her accent was so poor -- it came across as forced and unconvincing. In fact most of the accents were not quite on the mark. Timothy Spall's Churchill was by far the worst I have seen for quite some time -- very Am Dram. It turned the Great Man into a laughable caricature. Nevertheless, I am delighted that the film has been so well-received as it is a great Monarchist PR tool -- for which I am all in favour. I suspect the film's success is partly due to the issue of both the general decline in the quality of mainstream films and popular culture generally, and, in this era of vacuous celebrity culture, the great yearning for true role models. Consequently in would not take much to strike these two chords and attract public interest. The MVO is the lowest grade in the Royal Victorian Order and it would not be unusual for the Sovereign to confer the honour upon someone fulfilling the role performed by Logue. That he was raised to a CVO is also not unusual given the assistance he provided in the years following his appointment as MVO. The fact that he did not rise above CVO (KCVO -- conferring a knighthood) suggests that HM and Logue were not quite as "close" friends as suggested in the film. RHM Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:42:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: The King's Speech From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I saw the film today and really enjoyed it. I came across this item this evening regarding WSC ordering the BBC to edit the King's speeches, and wondered if anyone might comment. Now, this type of story does have a certain familiar ring to it. 8-) The role of a teenage BBC employee in making sure King George VI's wartime speeches did not contain his stammers has been revealed for the first time. The story adds to the intrigue surrounding the Oscar-nominated film The King's Speech, which features Colin Firth’s portrayal of the monarch struggling to overcome his impediment. BBC engineer David Martin was only 19 and just a year into his job when wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered his bosses to remove any stuttering from the king's speeches. [...] His daughter Jane Dickinson, 56, read out an extract from that letter which read: 'We didn't have tape in those days and all recordings were made on metal discs which made the whole exercise rather tricky. [...] Referring to Churchill's order to the BBC to remove the stammer, Mrs Dickinson said: 'He (her father David) clearly thought it was the right decision because it took a long time editing so it was fit for broadcast to the empire later. [...] Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351257/The-Kings-Speech-BBC-engineer-ordered-Churchill-remove-King-George-VIs-stutters.html#ixzz1DnTzDVny Doing edits like that using metal discs? Sounds rather difficult. While the film's closing mentions that the King bestowed honours upon Lionel Logue in 1944 (CVO), the King also made him an MVO in 1937 ... for no reason, I suppose. Mike Campbell Halifax, Nova Scotia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat?hl=en.
