By October '44, the Soviets were standing in Poland, Rumania and Yugoslavia. In principle only Czechoslovachia, Hungary and Greece was still unoccupied.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Tom Dennis <[email protected]> wrote: > Naughty Document: > Since FDR care very little about Europe it appears Winston was hoping this > one on one agreement would hopefully draw some stronger lines in the sand > on what Stalin would actually demand or take in Europe. Once America left > Europe, W knew he was alone again and nothing could be done > > This document was another cue for Winston showing how powerless Britain > had become after the war. > > I wonder where this document is right now ? > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Chris Sterling <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The gist of the story is absolutely true . . .the so-called "naughty" >> piece of paper story shows up in many respected sources. Churchill, of >> course, was negotiating with little leverage as the Red Army was already >> moving into Eastern Europe. WSC's chief concern was to protect Turkey and >> especially Greece where Communist underground forces were already >> gathering. And he worried about Poland, the invasion of which had begun the >> European war in September 1939. He "won" with Greece and Turkey, and "lost" >> with Poland and Czechoslovakia--but the latter were likely lost causes with >> or without any agreement, even one as totally informal and nonbinding as >> this one was. >> >> Chris Sterling >> >> Chris & Ellen Sterling >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Daniel Ibarra wrote: >> >> Members of the list, is this a true story? Thank you. Daniel >> >> Churchill and Stalin’s Secret Agreement >> [image: >> chruchill-stalin]<http://cdn1.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chruchill-stalin.jpg> >> The so called ‘Percentages Agreement’ was an outcome of a secret meeting >> between the leaders of Britain and Russia that effectively sealed the fate >> of millions living in Eastern Europe. >> The meeting occurred in October 1944 as the realisation that the war was >> all but won dawned on the allied forces. Both Churchill and Stalin realised >> that it was imperative to secure a future whereby Germany would be unable >> to attack its neighbours and thus, potentially avoid a future world war. >> However the fear of invasion petrified Stalin. After two German invasions >> since 1914, Stalin knew that a military weak Germany and an array of >> ‘buffer’ states – that have also been referred to as Soviet ‘satellite’ >> states due to their sub-ordinance to Moscow, and the Eastern bloc- were >> necessary for his country. He also knew that due to the amount of fighting >> the Soviets had engaged in, he was entitled to serious reparations and >> influence in the outcome of Europe. >> During the meeting, Churchill slipped a piece of paper to Stalin with a >> list of European countries on it, followed by the percentage of influence >> he believed Britain and Russia were entitled to. The percentages proposed >> indicated Britain’s loss of power in world affairs, with the Soviet Union >> given far larger stake in the affairs of the Eastern European nations – >> barring Greece, a traditional British sphere of influence. >> What Churchill perhaps did not realise at the time was that conceding >> Eastern Europe to Stalin would create a vast communist empire, that’s >> expansionist tendencies would be a pivotal issue of the Cold War that would >> dominate European affairs for the best part of the next half-century. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ChurchillChat" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ChurchillChat" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ChurchillChat" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. 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