Den 17.01.2024 19:59, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 18:23 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 17.01.2024 01:34, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 03:07 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin
<[email protected]>:
Den 16.01.2024 17:53, skrev Andrea paz:
>> I just installed the latest cin-x86_64 AppImage, started
as root, loaded a HDV clip to test to create a BD
iso/structure, without Blu-ray device connected (similar like
testing create DVD).
>> But I got the following error message; any idea what is
wrong here?
>>
>>
>> I think BD-Render currently is locked to AVCHD (h264)
video and ac3 audio only.
> The same mistake I had. To do a BD/DVD render we need to
run CinGG
> with root permissions.
Well, maybe you saw I actually had root access, but tried
instead to
write to a directory I had renamed 😳
>
> @Terje
> Thanks for the corrections. I put the new version of the
text for the
> manual (the third part). Can you check this as well?
Seems fine for me.
> Plus I would like
> to ask you if you could add a "Use Case" for BDs, since I
have no
> knowledge of it....
Yes, let us co-operate on a BD use case next, but first I
suggest to
complete the 16:9 HDV to 16:9 DV use case successful ;)
well, may be just use DVD render but abort it at second
(batchrender) window, and render normally ?
if dvd render set scaler automatically you hopefully just can
reuse its settings for wide dv encoding?
but watch out for interlace reversal ... :( (tff for hdv, bff for
dv).
Yes, I think that can do the trick. I got it to work, but I hope
this workaround can be more plain and clearly, if it is possible
to "copy" the DVD Scale button in some way to the File Render window.
I felt I had not completely control over what happened.
Heh :) In this case you hopefully can just save scale plugin/effect
setting as they set up by DVD wizard for your case and then just
manually apply effect over whole video track and set its parameters
from profile? Even without GUI you can copy xml file from .bcast5
directory to your favorite place and then copy ot back when you need
to render with those specific parameters again. Sort of settings template
Could you think of making a couple of CinGG demo videos to manual, for
the following use cases:
1) Rendering HD(V) to 16x9 SD-DV (anamorhic down-conversion with
oversampling)
2) Rendering HD(V) to 16x9 DVD video
3) Rendering 16x9 DV to 16x9 DVD video
Another, very illustrative reference I will suggest to this manual topic(s):
https://www.sandelinmedia.com/widescreen/
By the way, here is the procedure I think did work for me:
1. Loaded the HDV
2. Started File > DVD Render, selected Format: PAL (25.00) 16x9,
Scale: Scaled, and OK
3. Batch (DVD) Render window opens
4. Started File > Render and closed the Batch Render window
5. Edited file path and file name, File Format: FFmpeg - avi (or
dv), Audio: Preset avi_pcm, Video: dv_pal.avi, and before OK!
6. Open Set Format, verify the Canvas size has changed to 720x576
and DAR 16:9, Switch Interlace mode to: Bottom Field First, OK
7. Lastly OK on the Render Window (5) and rendering begin
Confusingly 2. and 3 partly may create DVD directories which can
be deleted.
yeah, this is just workaround. I do not feel very comfortable doing
GUI work, and I do not feel special-casing workflow into generic
rendering window will be good idea...
Well, in principle I prefer to utilize and combine the best of both
worlds, complementary when possible. GUI for visual overview, easy
accessibility of non-familiar testing or new features/applications. CLI
for effectivity, and understanding when experience, yes. When I started
with CPM/DOS and Unix and Uniplex, the most were CLI based.
Tried both TFF and BFF
The bottom line is that this trick and workaround created DV 16x9
files which all displayed correct due to [SAR 64;45 and DAR 16:9] 😎
but do they display smooth motion? I am still worried about field
dominance :)
ffprobe -hide_banner dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi
Input #0, avi, from 'dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi':
Metadata:
software : Lavf60.16.100
Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 30342 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo (dvsd / 0x64737664), yuv420p,
720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9], 28802 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25
tbn, 25 tbc
Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000
Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1536 kb/s
mediainfo dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi | grep Scan
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
ffprobe -hide_banner dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi
Input #0, avi, from 'dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi':
Metadata:
software : Lavf60.16.100
Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 30342 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo (dvsd / 0x64737664), yuv420p,
720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9], 28802 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25
tbn, 25 tbc
Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000
Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1536 kb/s
mediainfo dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi | grep Scan
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
ffprobe -hide_banner dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv
[dv @ 0x55b67a8e1580] Estimating duration from bitrate, this
may be inaccurate
Input #0, dv, from 'dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv':
Metadata:
timecode : 00:00:00:00
Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR
16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
mediainfo dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv | grep Scan
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
So may be you need more complex hdv interlaced = to frames ->
scale down fields independently = > encode
procedure ....
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/480.html
If you just deinterlace then scale it will be simpler, i think.
Because we not start with upscaled interlaced SD ....
To repeat and extract from the long thread, we can start from
from my
dialog with Andrew below:
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2024-January/007699.html
=================
> I wonder how much was cropped?
>
> May be I misread you but you loaded HDV 1440*1080 clip and
then
> rendered it into ffmpeg DV at 576i WITHOUT any scaling on top?
>
--------------------
Yes, I loaded the anamorphic 16:9 HDV 1440x1080 clip and then
rendered
it using Set Format Preset PAL 576i (16:9)-DV(D) - without
any scaling
on top.
According to my understanding this should down-convert the
full source
image to DVD 16:9 anamorphic format, which at playback should
display
upscaled 16:9 screen.
That is, just as in my first post
4 b) FFmpeg transcode HDV to DV-wide
ffmpeg -hide_banner -i hdv07_05.m2t -vf
scale=720:576,setsar=64/45,setdar=16/9 -c:v dvvideo -c:a
pcm_s16le
dv07_05_wide.dv
----------------------------
DVD Render Format autoscales the input HDV format to fit the
selected
16x9 DVD output format.
When input format and output rendering formats are identical,
it seems
that nothing needs to be set/edited manually in Set Format.
Then the unavoidable request/suggestion:
Could correspondingly different I/O format via selected
Presets also
bake in Autoscale as default (beside color space mentioned
before) ?
(refer to the: -vf scale=720:576,setsar=64/45,setdar=16/9 in
the ffmpeg
line below)
---------------------------
I think no, it was intended to give users control over what
kind of
filters they want to apply. Even with ffmpeg you still
manually add
scale filter ...
-----------------------------
Fx. the DVD Render window has a Scale dropdown menu, where
"Scaled" is
default.
The other options are None and Cropped (various).
As an additional test I rendered with None, and then got
similar 16:9
output displayed as ffmpeg-avi.
(The Raw DV differed with 4_3 display)
============
Here we are currently. I hoped to get this
down-convert/scale Rendering
via Set Format Preset as easy as corresponding DVD Render (and
BD-Render) using a user selectable "Scale switch". If this is
not easy,
possible or desirable, I hope you can add the detailed Scale
steps in
this case from here, because I have no experience with this yet.
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