Hello,

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 07:03:08PM +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
>   This afternoon (European time) Johannes Sixt (j6t),
> Gustavo IƱigues (ga), Pierre Marc Dumuid (pmdumuid) and
> I (hermanr) had an IRC meeting discussing Cinelerra's
> user interface.
> 
> 
> DV grabbing and export leaves a lot to be desired.
> We needed more research to know where to start...
> 
> ------
> 
> Timeline UI: better indication of arming, and play on/off.
> 
>  Some suggestions on how to singnalise status in more ways:
> 
> Darkening unarmed tracks (rejected, better ideas?)
> Graying "don't play" tracks (inconclusive. maybe darkening?)
> Changing the mouse pointer over unarmed tracks
> Having the View menu turned into a panel
> Cinelerra needs a status bar. (displaying what info?)

IMO, the first action to do is to redesign the arm icon. When I switched
from the Blond theme to the SUV theme, I immediately noticed it's more
difficult to quickly see which tracks are armed and which ones are not.
That's because when the icon is selected, it becomes orange. But the
icon, when not selected, is red. If the "not selected" arm icon was
white on grey, highlighting it in red would make it far more visible.

> ------
> 
>  Klipper and sound daemons keep causing new users grief.
> 
> * Klipper: Cinelerra's clipboard handling is wrong.  TODO: Fix it
> * Sound daemons: display notification  TODO: add a status bar

Mmmm, about Cinelerra's clipboard, I find it very frustrating (when
editing hundreds of keyframes) to do not be able to paste the keyframe
on the insertion point when there's a IN or OUT point defined on the
timeline...

> ------
> 
>   Tracks should be groupable, so that they will be (un)armed
> in unison.  This will make it easier to keep audio and video
> tracks in synch when they are moved around.  When media files
> are imported, their audio and video tracks should be grouped
> by default.
> 
>   To keep things simple, only adjacent tracks should be
> groupable, with an obvious (un)group widget between tracks
> to click on.

I really would like that feature! My projects have tens of tracks, and I
often have to cut/paste a group of tracks. In fact, generally, the same
cut/paste operations are applied on the video and audio tracks...

> ------
> 
>  Tracks are at least 32 pixels tall, and a video recording contain
> 3 tracks, taking up much screen estate.  Dealing with many tracks
> gets unmanagable on normally sized screens; some more aggressive
> collapsing features are needed.
> 
> j6t:
> "so we don't need a menu, just an icon between tracks, only neighboring  
> tracks are linked, and it means that they share the same armed/unarmed  
> state"
> 
> There are two needs: Hiding and grouping
> 
>  Suggestion: if linked tracks are collapsed, one of them becomes the  
> "master"
>  (needs more research)
> 
> -- 
> Herman Robak

Nicolas, Paris.

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