actually if drift stays constant, then it is very simple to fix in
cinelerra.. just right click on asset, and change frequency from 48000
to 48002 or some similar value - depending on the scale of your drift. 

The only trick is that you have to do that _before_ you start dragging
edits to the timeline and before creating clips.

bye
andraz

On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 09:11 +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote:
> Hi Scott
> 
> > > I'm glad to hear it.  The symptoms were a little strange though, even for
> > > a TOC issue.  Oh well, at least the result is consistent now.
> > :)
> > > 
> > > No problem.  Even though things appear to be working now you will still
> > > suffer from the problems I mentioned.  You might just be lucky in that in
> > > this particular case your sources were sufficiently close in frequency 
> > > such
> > > that the drift over the 4 minutes of footage wasn't particularly audible. 
> > > As your clips get longer it is guaranteed that your sync will drift unless
> > > all digital audio recording sources are locked to the same clock.  The
> > > amount of drift (and therefore the maximum clip length before you notice 
> > > it)
> > > depends on how close the recorders' clocks were, which is indeterminant
> > > since there's a temperature dependency in the frequencies.
> >
> > Interesting.  This drift stuff is a nightmare.  Next recording, we'll
> > sync to a clock source!  :)
> 
> Yes, it is a pain.  Syncing everything to a master clock is the best
> solution.  However, since only high end cameras have an external syncing
> options and the external clock units themselves can be quite expensive it's
> often not possible to do this.  That in the end is why I use the workflow
> described eariler; it's a little more time consuming but still a lot cheaper
> than an externally clockable camera. :)
> 
> FYI one thing I've thought of doing is making an audio clock generator which
> locks to the camcorder.  The idea is to take the video output from the
> camcorder (which by definition is locked to the *video* clock) and detect
> the sync pulses (probably vertical).  This will give a 50 Hz signal. This
> would then be fed into a phase locked loop (PLL) which would generate the 48
> kHz clock signal for the audio hardware.  It's a good theory but there are
> issues.  It assumes that the PLL can be made incredibly stable; if it
> jitters any more than the internal clock of the audio interface it will have
> a negative impact on the recorded audio quality - to achieve this it might
> be necessary to go into temperature control.  It also assumes that the
> vertical sync pulses out of the camcorder are stable.
> 
> Unfortunately I've had no time to pursue this further than thinking about
> it, so I don't know how feasible it is in practice.  Some day I might get
> around to it though.
> 
> Anyway, we're getting a bit off-topic here.  Best of luck with your future
> projects and feel free to follow up privately on these matters and to let
> me know how you get on.
> 
> Best regards
>   jonathan
> 
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