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1. Re: MISSING FEATURES (flavio)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 01:28:29 -0300
From: flavio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [CinCVS] MISSING FEATURES
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Mmmm.... almost falling asleep here.... but then there are some info which
=
I
may think may be of help. I'll go along with your mail. Btw, I am in
Brazil=
,
so it's nice to see someone from Argentina showing up. Let's change some
material then, it would be nice.
2007/6/6, marquitux caballero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> does anyone had ever used ANY OTHER editing software ?
Yes. And still wondering what I am missing when I use cinelerra, gimp,
blender and some other encoding softs and can reach about everything I want
to do with them. Except for chosing subtitles from a dvd menu (instead of
just from a remote), which I haven't figured out how, I think I do get very
far with free-soft. But you'll have to believe me here though, since you
haven't seen what I am up to.
(...)
CINELERRA NEEDS BADLY, a way to move clips on the track, single or by
> selection box,
It does. Read along.
someone asked this a couple of days ago, and someone answer
> that the only way is this one, wich I used in th image, "if you want to
> move
> clips foward, of all timelines at the same time, copi and paste silences
> at
> the beggining, so the entire block of clips moves forward", of course,
> this
> ONLY works in the active tracks,
Yes, the thought behind the procedure is indeed a bit different from other
softwares. But you'll get used to it. A shif+clicking on the red buttons
(t=
o
activate the track) or a shift+alt directly on the track will help a lot.
You'll do this with unbelievable speed once you get used to it.
and you can see the fades are not moving,
Right, this is may be bug of your version. Which then makes me come to the
first reason why I decided to answer. The cv/cvs version is the community
version. It needs manpower and manhelp to go on. The cv version then is
sometimes more unstable than you may want - for instance, in case you have
=
a
deadline or in case you want desperately that a feature may be fixed, which
seems to be your case. Without caps-locking, my advice to you is: use a
stable version. As the months have passed, and the years, here in Brazil we
mostly edit DV stuff, even though I do have a HDV cam. For DV stuff, you
ca=
n
find an extremely stable release in this link:
http://estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=3DTutorial+video+debian -> use
=
the
debian stable version.
As you will see, it is a 2.0 release. You can use it on a Debian unstable
also. I do a lot of propaganda of this version mainly because it works (I
try to help the comunity in other matters/issues then, because my linux
computer has not been on the web for about one year now and that is a crack
when dealing with 2.1 versions). The only function that won't work, as far
as I'm concerned, is the perspective effect - which, curiously, I have seen
working when it is installed under an unstable debian... You can then use
blender in case you're eager to do something using perspective. Fades move
in this version. Effects move in this version.
so here is a tip FIRST-EDIT-THEN-FADE, in alll this time, no one else but
m=
e
> think this is a very STUPID way to EDIT CLIPS (non profesional,
> unaccurate,
> in sync terms, unconfortable, dangerous to the edited timeline), no one
> has
> a solution in mind? how many time must cinelerra wait to reach the 1997
> Adobe Premiere 4.0 in terms of usability? come on people, this is basic
> stuff!!!
People may have thought about that before you had this idea; as you said,
this is a basic feature.
cinelerra has a great future, but cannot afford this thingies, in this way
> has no present.
> PLEEEASE, I have said in the past that many features MUST BE in this
GREA=
T
> TOOL, but THE BASIC move clips (and fades included, and efects included)
> without leaving the efect behind, or de-syncronization of the clips on
> more
> than 12 tracks, is DANGEROUS to anyone (like me) that pretends to
achieve
> a
> profesional editing. PLEASE, don=B4t take this in the wrong way, I LOVE
> cinelerra, but MUST BE PRO.
>
> try to move the clips on this project:
> http://www.freewebs.com/anubis4d/cinelerra/cinelerra.programa.png
This is the second reason for my writing. Nice shot of a complex timeline.
It seems you're using cinelerra for subtitling. First of all, the fonts:
take a look at the manual and see how you can install some other fonts,
it'll make a difference. Then, find some free fonts on the net and use
them=
,
they will look way more readable than this one you're using. Now, about the
act of subtitling, you'll do it way more easily if you write the subtitles
on a sheet and then use something such as Jubler to sync it. It will do a
very very professional sync job, and it's way easy to use. Also, you won't
have the subtitles on the video, but on a separate stream when you transfer
your video to a dvd (on the mpeg2). That means you can have spanish,
portuguese and english subtitles for your video without having the
supernatural trouble of re-doing them on cinelerra and recording three
separate copies of the same video. Even in case you don't dvd-it, most
players will recognize an .srt file to play along with the video. I run the
risk that you already know all this, but I thought it was better to speak
than just watching and thinking "oh, this process might be easier".
in cinelerra, is dangerous, and shouldn=B4t be.
> and why have 2 tracks for STEREO clips? PEOPLE, is only 1 CLIP, why
> separate
> those? look EDIUS, or premiere.
If you want to go pro, then stereo for sound is your minimum, right? Sound
can make up to 70%-75% of your video on most cases, unless you really
reall=
y
know what editing moving images is about and care about that, which doesn't
seem to happen a lot, unfortunately... Sometimes people won't even pay
attention to that - and stereo will be taken for a mono sound-font being
reproduced on two different speakers.
marquitux.
> www.mdpsistemas.com.ar
Bonita gr=FAa. Quisiera yo tener algo as=ED para grabar... Me har=EDa
dife=
rencia
en una serie de cosas...
rock on,
flavio
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Mmmm.... almost falling asleep here.... but then there are some info which
=
I may think may be of help. I'll go along with your mail. Btw, I am in =
Brazil, so it's nice to see someone from Argentina showing up. Let'=
s change some material then, it would be nice.
<br><br>2007/6/6, marquitux caballero <<a
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
l.com">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>>:<div><span
class=3D"gmail_quote"></span=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid
rgb(204,=
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
does anyone had ever used ANY OTHER editing software
?</blockquote><div><br=
>Yes. And still wondering what I am missing when I use cinelerra, gimp,
ble=
nder and some other encoding softs and can reach about everything I want
to=
do with them. Except for chosing subtitles from a dvd menu (instead of
jus=
t from a remote), which I haven't figured out how, I think I do get ver=
y far with free-soft. But you'll have to believe me here though, since =
you haven't seen what I am up to.
<br></div><br>(...)<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">CINELERRA NEEDS BADLY, a way to move clips on the track, single
o=
r by
<br>selection box, </blockquote><div><br>It does. Read
along.<br></div><br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
=
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">someone asked
thi=
s a couple of days ago, and someone answer
<br>that the only way is this one, wich I used in th image, "if you
wa=
nt to move<br>clips foward, of all timelines at the same time, copi and
pas=
te silences at<br>the beggining, so the entire block of clips moves
forward=
", of course, this
<br>ONLY works in the active tracks, </blockquote><div><br>Yes, the
thought=
behind the procedure is indeed a bit different from other softwares. But
y=
ou'll get used to it. A shif+clicking on the red buttons (to activate t=
he track) or a shift+alt directly on the track will help a lot. You'll =
do this with unbelievable speed once you get used to it.
<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px
s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
1ex;">and=
you can see the fades are not moving,</blockquote><div><br>Right, this is
=
may be bug of your version. Which then makes me come to the first reason
w=
hy I decided to answer. The cv/cvs version is the community version. It
nee=
ds manpower and manhelp to go on. The cv version then is sometimes more
uns=
table than you may want - for instance, in case you have a deadline or in
c=
ase you want desperately that a feature may be fixed, which seems to be
you=
r case. Without caps-locking, my advice to you is: use a stable version.
As=
the months have passed, and the years, here in Brazil we mostly edit DV
st=
uff, even though I do have a HDV cam. For DV stuff, you can find an
extreme=
ly stable release in this link:=20
<a
href=3D"http://estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=3DTutorial+video+deb=
ian">http://estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=3DTutorial+video+debian</a=
> -> use the debian stable version.<br><br>As you will see, it is a 2.0
=
release. You can use it on a Debian unstable also. I do a lot of
propaganda=
of this version mainly because it works (I try to help the comunity in
oth=
er matters/issues then, because my linux computer has not been on the web
f=
or about one year now and that is a crack when dealing with=20
2.1 versions). The only function that won't work, as far as I'm con=
cerned, is the perspective effect - which, curiously, I have seen working
w=
hen it is installed under an unstable debian... You can then use blender
in=
case you're eager to do something using perspective. Fades move in thi=
s version. Effects move in this version.
<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px
s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">so
=
here is a tip FIRST-EDIT-THEN-FADE, in alll this time, no one else but
me<b=
r>
think this is a very STUPID way to EDIT CLIPS (non profesional,
unaccurate,=
<br>in sync terms, unconfortable, dangerous to the edited timeline), no
one=
has<br>a solution in mind? how many time must cinelerra wait to reach the
=
1997
<br>Adobe Premiere 4.0 in terms of usability? come on people,
th=
is is basic<br>stuff!!!</blockquote><div><br>People may have thought about
=
that before you had this idea; as you said, this is a basic feature.
<br></=
div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
=
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">cinelerra has a
g=
reat future, but cannot afford this thingies, in this way<br>has no
present=
.
<br>PLEEEASE, I have said in the past that many features MUST BE in this
GR=
EAT<br>TOOL, but THE BASIC move clips (and fades included, and efects
inclu=
ded)<br>without leaving the efect behind, or de-syncronization of the
clips=
on more
<br>than 12 tracks, is DANGEROUS to anyone (like me) that pretends to
achie=
ve a<br>profesional editing. PLEASE, don=B4t take this in the wrong way, I
=
LOVE<br>cinelerra, but MUST BE PRO.<br><br>try to move the clips on this
pr=
oject:
<br><a
href=3D"http://www.freewebs.com/anubis4d/cinelerra/cinelerra.program=
a.png">http://www.freewebs.com/anubis4d/cinelerra/cinelerra.programa.png</a=
></blockquote><div><br>This is the second reason for my writing. Nice shot
=
of a complex timeline. It seems you're using cinelerra for subtitling. =
First of all, the fonts: take a look at the manual and see how you can
inst=
all some other fonts, it'll make a difference. Then, find some free fon=
ts on the net and use them, they will look way more readable than this one
=
you're using. Now, about the act of subtitling, you'll do it way mo=
re easily if you write the subtitles on a sheet and then use something
such=
as Jubler to sync it. It will do a very very professional sync job, and
it=
's way easy to use. Also, you won't have the subtitles on the video=
, but on a separate stream when you transfer your video to a dvd (on the
mp=
eg2). That means you can have spanish, portuguese and english subtitles
for=
your video without having the supernatural trouble of re-doing them on
cin=
elerra and recording three separate copies of the same video. Even in case
=
you don't dvd-it, most players will recognize an .srt file to play alon=
g with the video. I run the risk that you already know all this, but I
thou=
ght it was better to speak than just watching and thinking "oh, this
p=
rocess might be easier".
</div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px
solid=
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">in
cine=
lerra, is dangerous, and shouldn=B4t be.<br>and why have 2 tracks for
STERE=
O clips? PEOPLE, is only 1 CLIP, why separate
<br>those? look EDIUS, or premiere.</blockquote><div><br>If you want to go
=
pro, then stereo for sound is your minimum, right? Sound can make up to
70%=
-75% of your video on most cases, unless you really really know what
editin=
g moving images is about and care about that, which doesn't seem to hap=
pen a lot, unfortunately... Sometimes people won't even pay attention t=
o that - and stereo will be taken for a mono sound-font being reproduced
on=
two different speakers.=20
<br></div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px
s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
1ex;">mar=
quitux.<br><a
href=3D"http://www.mdpsistemas.com.ar";>www.mdpsistemas.com.ar=
</a>
</blockquote><div><br>Bonita gr=FAa. Quisiera yo tener algo as=ED para
grab=
ar... Me har=EDa diferencia en una serie de
cosas...<br></div><br></d=
iv>rock on,<br>flavio<br>
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