cin shows 34:58 of play time (which seems about right.)
I rendered it, it creates a file that takes about 35 min to play. (I didn't time
it, but close enough.

mplayer's OSD shows it as 37 hours, which I am guessing it is getting from
ID_LENGTH=134359.59

134359/3600
37

I did tinker with some settings trying to get the filesize small.  45Mb  for
35min.  below is outuput from mplayer -identify and what I think is the render
settings used from /.bcast/Cinelerra_rc.

It would be great it cin would include the relevant settings as a separate
.xml/txt and if the container supports it, include it in the output file.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/a$ mplayer -identify June_ae_testing.ogg
MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.2.3 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (Family: 15, Model: 2, Stepping: 9)
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing June_ae_testing.ogg.
ID_VIDEO_ID=0
[Ogg] stream 0: video (Theora v3.2.1), -vid 0
ID_AUDIO_ID=0
[Ogg] stream 1: audio (Vorbis), -aid 0
Ogg file format detected.
VIDEO:  [theo]  456x286  24bpp  29.970 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
ID_FILENAME=June_ae_testing.ogg
ID_DEMUXER=ogg
ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=theo
ID_VIDEO_BITRATE=0
ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=456
ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=286
ID_VIDEO_FPS=29.970
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=0.0000
ID_AUDIO_FORMAT=vrbs
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=0
ID_AUDIO_RATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_NCH=2
ID_LENGTH=134359.59
xscreensaver_disable: Could not find XScreenSaver window.
GNOME screensaver disabled
==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[theora @ 0x8939870]Missing extradata!
Could not open codec.
VDecoder init failed :(
Opening video decoder: [theora] Theora/VP3
VDec: vo config request - 456 x 286 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=1.3333
VO: [xv] 456x286 => 456x342 Planar YV12
Selected video codec: [theora] vfm: theora (Theora (free, reworked VP3))
==========================================================================
ID_VIDEO_CODEC=theora
==========================================================================
Forced audio codec: mad
Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 48.0 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 6000->192000)
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_RATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_NCH=2
Selected audio codec: [ffvorbis] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Vorbis decoder)
==========================================================================
AO: [pulse] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
ID_AUDIO_CODEC=ffvorbis
Starting playback...
GNOME screensaver enabled.000 ct:  0.009  52/ 52  2%  2%  0.6% 0 0

Exiting... (Quit)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/a$ python
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Apr 21 2008, 11:12:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/a$ mplayer
-identify June_ae_testing.ogg
MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.2.3 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (Family: 15, Model: 2, Stepping: 9)
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing June_ae_testing.ogg.
ID_VIDEO_ID=0
[Ogg] stream 0: video (Theora v3.2.1), -vid 0
ID_AUDIO_ID=0
[Ogg] stream 1: audio (Vorbis), -aid 0
Ogg file format detected.
VIDEO:  [theo]  456x286  24bpp  29.970 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
ID_FILENAME=June_ae_testing.ogg
ID_DEMUXER=ogg
ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=theo
ID_VIDEO_BITRATE=0
ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=456
ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=286
ID_VIDEO_FPS=29.970
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=0.0000
ID_AUDIO_FORMAT=vrbs
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=0
ID_AUDIO_RATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_NCH=2
ID_LENGTH=134359.59
xscreensaver_disable: Could not find XScreenSaver window.
GNOME screensaver disabled
==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[theora @ 0x8939870]Missing extradata!
Could not open codec.
VDecoder init failed :(
Opening video decoder: [theora] Theora/VP3
VDec: vo config request - 456 x 286 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=1.3333
VO: [xv] 456x286 => 456x342 Planar YV12
Selected video codec: [theora] vfm: theora (Theora (free, reworked VP3))
==========================================================================
ID_VIDEO_CODEC=theora
==========================================================================
Forced audio codec: mad
Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 48.0 kbit/3.12% (ratio: 6000->192000)
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_RATE=48000
ID_AUDIO_NCH=2
Selected audio codec: [ffvorbis] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Vorbis decoder)
==========================================================================
AO: [pulse] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
ID_AUDIO_CODEC=ffvorbis
Starting playback...
GNOME screensaver enabled.000 ct:  0.009  52/ 52  2%  2%  0.6% 0 0

Exiting... (Quit)



BRENDER_START 0.0000000000000000e+00
BATCHRENDER_X 370
BATCHRENDER_Y 230
BATCHRENDER_W 540
BATCHRENDER_H 340
BRENDER_PATH /tmp/brender
BRENDER_FORMAT 8
BRENDER_AUDIO_CODEC twos
BRENDER_VIDEO_CODEC yuv2
BRENDER_AMPEG_BITRATE 256
BRENDER_AMPEG_DERIVATIVE 3
BRENDER_VORBIS_VBR 0
BRENDER_VORBIS_MIN_BITRATE -1
BRENDER_VORBIS_BITRATE 128000
BRENDER_VORBIS_MAX_BITRATE -1
BRENDER_THEORA_FIX_BITRATE 1
BRENDER_THEORA_BITRATE 860000
BRENDER_THEORA_QUALITY 16
BRENDER_THEORA_SHARPNESS 2
BRENDER_THEORA_KEYFRAME_FREQUENCY 64
BRENDER_THEORA_FORCE_KEYFRAME_FEQUENCY 64
BRENDER_MP3_BITRATE 256000
BRENDER_MP4A_BITRATE 256000
BRENDER_MP4A_QUANTQUAL 100
BRENDER_JPEG_QUALITY 80
BRENDER_ASPECT_RATIO -1.0000000000000000e+00
BRENDER_VMPEG_IFRAME_DISTANCE 45
BRENDER_VMPEG_PFRAME_DISTANCE 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_PROGRESSIVE 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_DENOISE 1
BRENDER_VMPEG_BITRATE 1000000
BRENDER_VMPEG_DERIVATIVE 1
BRENDER_VMPEG_QUANTIZATION 15
BRENDER_VMPEG_CMODEL 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_FIX_BITRATE 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_SEQ_CODES 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_PRESET 0
BRENDER_VMPEG_FIELD_ORDER 0
BRENDER_H264_BITRATE 2000000
BRENDER_H264_QUANTIZER 5
BRENDER_H264_FIX_BITRATE 0
BRENDER_DIVX_BITRATE 2000000
BRENDER_DIVX_RC_PERIOD 50
BRENDER_DIVX_RC_REACTION_RATIO 45
BRENDER_DIVX_RC_REACTION_PERIOD 10
BRENDER_DIVX_MAX_KEY_INTERVAL 250
BRENDER_DIVX_MAX_QUANTIZER 31
BRENDER_DIVX_MIN_QUANTIZER 1
BRENDER_DIVX_QUANTIZER 5
BRENDER_DIVX_QUALITY 5
BRENDER_DIVX_FIX_BITRATE 1
BRENDER_DIVX_USE_DEBLOCKING 1
BRENDER_MS_BITRATE 1000000
BRENDER_MS_BITRATE_TOLERANCE 500000
BRENDER_MS_INTERLACED 0
BRENDER_MS_QUANTIZATION 10
BRENDER_MS_GOP_SIZE 45
BRENDER_MS_FIX_BITRATE 1
BRENDER_AC3_BITRATE 128
BRENDER_PNG_USE_ALPHA 0
BRENDER_EXR_USE_ALPHA 0
BRENDER_EXR_COMPRESSION 0
BRENDER_TIFF_CMODEL 0
BRENDER_TIFF_COMPRESSION 0
BRENDER_FORMAT_YUV_USE_PIPE 0
BRENDER_FORMAT_YUV_PIPE
BRENDER_REEL_NAME cin0000
BRENDER_REEL_NUMBER 0
BRENDER_TCSTART 0
BRENDER_TCEND 0
BRENDER_TCFORMAT 0
USE_BRENDER 0
BRENDER_FRAGMENT 1
USE_RENDERFARM 0
RENDERFARM_PORT 400
RENDERFARM_PREROLL 5.0000000000000000e-01
BRENDER_PREROLL 0
RENDERFARM_MOUNTPOINT
RENDERFARM_JOBS_COUNT 20
RENDERFARM_CONSOLIDATE 1919380323
RENDERFARM_TOTAL 0

RENDER_STRATEGY 0
RENDER_LOADMODE 0
RENDER_RANGE_TYPE 1
RENDER_PATH June_ae_testing.ogg
RENDER_FORMAT 30
RENDER_AUDIO 1
RENDER_VIDEO 1
RENDER_AUDIO_CODEC OggS
RENDER_VIDEO_CODEC HV60
RENDER_AMPEG_BITRATE 256
RENDER_AMPEG_DERIVATIVE 3
RENDER_VORBIS_VBR 0
RENDER_VORBIS_MIN_BITRATE -1
RENDER_VORBIS_BITRATE 48000
RENDER_VORBIS_MAX_BITRATE -1
RENDER_THEORA_FIX_BITRATE 1
RENDER_THEORA_BITRATE 86000
RENDER_THEORA_QUALITY 11
RENDER_THEORA_SHARPNESS 2
RENDER_THEORA_KEYFRAME_FREQUENCY 64
RENDER_THEORA_FORCE_KEYFRAME_FEQUENCY 64
RENDER_MP3_BITRATE 48000
RENDER_MP4A_BITRATE 256000
RENDER_MP4A_QUANTQUAL 100
RENDER_JPEG_QUALITY 100
RENDER_ASPECT_RATIO -1.0000000000000000e+00
RENDER_VMPEG_IFRAME_DISTANCE 45
RENDER_VMPEG_PFRAME_DISTANCE 0
RENDER_VMPEG_PROGRESSIVE 0
RENDER_VMPEG_DENOISE 1
RENDER_VMPEG_BITRATE 1000000
RENDER_VMPEG_DERIVATIVE 1
RENDER_VMPEG_QUANTIZATION 15
RENDER_VMPEG_CMODEL 0
RENDER_VMPEG_FIX_BITRATE 0
RENDER_VMPEG_SEQ_CODES 0
RENDER_VMPEG_PRESET 0
RENDER_VMPEG_FIELD_ORDER 0
RENDER_H264_BITRATE 2000000
RENDER_H264_QUANTIZER 5
RENDER_H264_FIX_BITRATE 1
RENDER_DIVX_BITRATE 2000000
RENDER_DIVX_RC_PERIOD 50
RENDER_DIVX_RC_REACTION_RATIO 45
RENDER_DIVX_RC_REACTION_PERIOD 10
RENDER_DIVX_MAX_KEY_INTERVAL 250
RENDER_DIVX_MAX_QUANTIZER 41
RENDER_DIVX_MIN_QUANTIZER 1
RENDER_DIVX_QUANTIZER 5
RENDER_DIVX_QUALITY 2
RENDER_DIVX_FIX_BITRATE 0
RENDER_DIVX_USE_DEBLOCKING 1
RENDER_MS_BITRATE 100000
RENDER_MS_BITRATE_TOLERANCE 50000
RENDER_MS_INTERLACED 0
RENDER_MS_QUANTIZATION 10
RENDER_MS_GOP_SIZE 45
RENDER_MS_FIX_BITRATE 0
RENDER_AC3_BITRATE 128
RENDER_PNG_USE_ALPHA 0
RENDER_EXR_USE_ALPHA 0
RENDER_EXR_COMPRESSION 0
RENDER_TIFF_CMODEL 0
RENDER_TIFF_COMPRESSION 0
RENDER_FORMAT_YUV_USE_PIPE 0
RENDER_FORMAT_YUV_PIPE
RENDER_BITS 16
RENDER_DITHER 0
RENDER_SIGNED 1
RENDER_BYTE_ORDER 1
RENDER_REEL_NAME cin0000
RENDER_REEL_NUMBER 0
RENDER_TCSTART 53293240
RENDER_TCEND 53293240
RENDER_TCFORMAT 0

Carl K



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