I like Cinelerra. I just don't expect very much and usually use several applications. I came to the conclusion that there are no programs that can be considered "perfect". Everything has its minuses and pluses. And Cinelerra has many pluses. And one of its pluses - it works with Open EXR, and works very good.
Irina В Пнд, 30/03/2009 в 11:31 +0200, [email protected] пишет: > Send Cinelerra mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Cinelerra digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? (Murray Strome) > 2. Re: Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? (Scott C. Frase) > 3. Re: Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? (Jeff Gerritsen) > 4. Re: Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? (Robert Persson) > 5. Re: Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? (Robert Persson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:49:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Murray Strome <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > --- On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Daniel Harris <[email protected]> wrote:= > =0A> > A) Cinelerra is extremely buggy=0A> =0A> =0A> I would say it is extr= > emely buggy.=A0 I would even go=0A> further and say that if=0A> you value y= > our time forget about using cinelerra its that=0A> unpredictable and=0A> it= > s possible to find a bug pretty much anywhere.=A0 On=0A> the other hand its= > =0A> pretty much the only nle for linux (I know there are others=0A> but I = > have even=0A> less success with them) so if you have plenty of time and=0A>= > you are prepared=0A> to find workarounds for every bug then it may be usab= > le for=0A> simple=0A> projects.=A0 If I was a professional video editor or = > I=0A> had to justify time or=0A> money spent on a project, honestly, I woul= > dnt touch it with=0A> a barge pole.=0A> =0A> Just my honest personal experi= > ences - No more than that.=0A> =0A> Dan=0A> =0A=0AIn my own attempts to use= > Cinelerra, I too have found it very buggy and generally difficult to use. = > Also, having to use many different outside programs and scripts to produce = > anything useful is tedious. I like the concept. I was eventually able to g= > et it working on one of my computers using Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.x) AMD64, bu= > t not on my laptop using Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE 4.x), AMD 64. In principal, I p= > refer to use Open Source software in LINUX, but when it comes to getting th= > e job done, I need something more reliable which is easier to use. I will = > keep coming back to Cinelerra to see if I can use it in the future, but in = > the meantime, of all the software (both proprietary and Open Source) that I= > have tried, despite its idiosyncrasies and faults, I guess I am stuck with= > Pinnacle Systems Studio on Windows. I haven't even begun to tap its capabi= > lities, but it is very easy to work with and intuitive. However, it is not= > suitable for working with multiple video > tracks (two is possible, but not more). =0A=0AI appreciate the efforts th= > e developpers are devoting to producing a powerful, Open Source LINUX video= > editing system, but I think there is a long way to go.=0A=0AI also have a = > suggestion for the E-Mail list: either include the HTML stuff in a way that= > it will show up as HTML or strip it out. It is annoying to have the text f= > ollowed by the HTML source text for the same message. A very good format fo= > r E-Mail list digests is that provided for Scribus (scribus.org). That one = > is very easy to read.=0A=0AMurray=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A _____________________= > _____________________________________________=0AInstant Messaging, free SMS= > , sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://= > ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Scott C. Frase" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Folks, > I will chime in here to simply say that Cinelerra is buggy in a consistent > way. In other words, if you have the time and energy to figure out what > works and what doesn't work, then you can base a workflow around > that. But that effort is a huge time sink. > > It doesn't get any better when you upgrade your system, because what once > worked in a previous distro will break in your new distro. So, you spend > oodles of time figuring out how to fix it. > > It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of > Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's > cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if > you know what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, save your valuable time > and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada > yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. > > scott > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? > From: Jeff Gerritsen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:15:49 -0700 > Reply-To: [email protected] > > You know Scott, > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through > an hour long video I'm editing. > > And its not every video mind you. I would say about 80 percent of the > time I never hear it. However when I convert a MPEG4 to DV using > ffmpeg, about a half hour to 45 minutes into the video (while editing in > cinelerra) it's there annoying as hell! HOWEVER, IF I PLAY THE ORIGINAL > CONVERTED VIDEO IN MPLAYER -- NO POPPING! THE RENDERED VIDEO FROM > CINELERRA -- ITS THERE. > > As far as I can tell, it's somewhat related to ffmpeg, however when I > play the input video I'm editing with cinelerra in Mplayer, its fine. > However in Cinelerra I hear what sounds like static pops. In the final > rendered product I hear the popping noise both in Cinelerra and Mplayer. > Adjusting the sampling rate to 44100 seems to help but does not > eliminate the popping noises. This bug is maddening as hell as it is > the same bug I encountered a year ago. > > A friend and I produce video work for a local cable access show that > both of us co-host, and my friend keeps reminding me to just switch to > windows tool set and be done with it. He keeps painfully reminding me > of all of the time I spend and the relative "poor" quality product I > produce. I spend valuable time just trying to find work a-rounds rather > than perfecting video editing and production skills. After all I keep > fighting these damn little bugs that were supposed to be taken care of > over a year ago. > > Therefore I've just about ran out of patience with cinelerra. Even > though I don't get paid to produce video work, the aggravation, marginal > quality of work produced, and time wasted to find work a-rounds has > finally gotten to me. I think its time to save up for a good Mac and > final cut pro and be done with it! > > If anyone has any idea what the hell is causing this damn popping noise, > I'd love to find out and solve this damn thing once and for all. Part > of me doesn't want to "throw away" all this time I've invested. You > know the psychology of previous investment we wrestle with. > > Here is the version of Cinelerra I'm using: > > Cinelerra 2.1CV 2.1 SVN svn20080514 RPMFusion For > Fedora/EPEL .fc9.kwizart (C) 2006 Heroine Virtual Ltd. > External ffmpeg > Compiled on Thu May 15 17:28:19 EDT 2008 > > Thanks for any help folks, > > Jeff Gerritsen. > > On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 10:54 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote: > > Folks, > > I will chime in here to simply say that Cinelerra is buggy in a consistent > > way. In other words, if you have the time and energy to figure out what > > works and what doesn't work, then you can base a workflow around > > that. But that effort is a huge time sink. > > > > It doesn't get any better when you upgrade your system, because what once > > worked in a previous distro will break in your new distro. So, you spend > > oodles of time figuring out how to fix it. > > > > It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of > > Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's > > cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if > > you know what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, save your valuable time > > and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada > > yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. > > > > scott > > > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:34:49 +0200 > From: Robert Persson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? > Reply-To: [email protected] > > I've been lurking because I haven't really needed to do anything with > video in the last several months, but I'm finding this thread > interesting. Is it then really just a case of accepting that Cinelerra > just isn't really usable and never will be, and of waiting for Lumiera > to arrive and take its place? Or have I misunderstood? > > Robert > > > Jeff Gerritsen a =C3=A9crit : > > You know Scott, > > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way throug= > h > > an hour long video I'm editing. =20 > > =20 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:48:31 +0200 > From: Robert Persson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell? > Reply-To: [email protected] > > I've been lurking because I haven't really needed to do anything with > video in the last several months, but I'm finding this thread > interesting. Is it really just a case of accepting that Cinelerra > just isn't usable and never will be, and of waiting for Lumiera > to arrive and take its place? Or have I misunderstood? > > Robert > > > Jeff Gerritsen a =C3=A9crit : > > You know Scott, > > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way throug= > h > > an hour long video I'm editing. =20 > > =20 > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Cinelerra mailing list > [email protected] > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > End of Cinelerra Digest > _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list [email protected] https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
