On Sat, 2012-05-05 at 23:54 +0200, Christian Thaeter wrote:

> Am Sat, 05 May 2012 16:10:27 -0500
> schrieb Tim Copeland <[email protected]>:
> 
> > On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 18:32 +0200, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> > 
> > > Am Fri, 04 May 2012 17:45:21 +0200
> > > schrieb Haldun ALTAN <[email protected]>:
> > > 
> > > > Well that was no more, for a long time, about Grand'ma proxy but
> > > > about RAID
> > > > 
> > > > May be this not the exact place to talk about RAID but indirectly
> > > > offers a better use of cinelerra. I think :))
> > > > 
> > > > I just wanted to send a link about a very good tuto on how to
> > > > RAID on ubuntu or others. It's just like the vidéo but very much
> > > > more specifique.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html
> > > 
> > > apart from that tutorial, here are some tips for the raid level and
> > > setup from my experience:
> > > 
> > > for anything valuable (aka, your work) you want raid10
> > > with 3 or more drives. Thats not mentioned on the tutorial above
> > > but the linux kernel can do raid10 since quite some time.
> > 
> > 
> > You can use RAID 10 on only 2 drives.
> > 
> > > 
> > > This gives fast read speed, average write speed and redundancy on
> > > the cost of 50% storage utilization. Speeds scale up as more drives
> > > you add.
> > > 
> > > If you have only 2 Drives then choose Raid1, Performance and safety
> > > is comparable to the Raid10 above.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is not the case. Yes you get the safety but no you don't get the
> > performance.
> > Linux RAID 1 only reads from a single disk, so the performance is
> > comparable to a single drive.
> > It was thought at one time that Linux RAID 1 did parallel reads, but
> > this is false. I have personally 
> > done the benchmarking and my findings were conclusive. Plus you can
> > find modern documentation
> > to support my findings.
> > 
> > If you seek redundancy and performance, use RAID 10.
> > Linux RAID 10 is supported on as few as 2 drives.
> 
> nice to know that, I never benchmarked raid1 as I only use it for
> boot/system partitions but not data (except on our server ..
> maybe I shall change that? do you know if raid1 is upgradeable to
> raid10? i am being to lazy to rtfm now :)).


Thats a good question. Unfortunately, that is not possible as far as I
know.  That will require
a lot of scary data juggling. Your question prompted me to poke around a
bit to see what I
could find on the topic. Here is an interesting post from others doing
that type of migration.

http://www.burgundywall.com/tech/convert-raid1-to-raid10-with-lvm/

On a side note:
When the new btrfs file system goes main stream, it supports many neat
RAID and LVM type features natively.
I do believe converting from one RAID type to another on the fly will be
possible then. Heavy development is surrounding
btrfs , and is looking to be nothing short of impressive. Kernel support
already exists, so its possible to play around with it
on a test system. However, it wont be viable for real world until they
get the check disk finished for it. I highly recommend
keeping look out for this. I cant wait for this file system to mature.



> > 
> > > If you have a fast computer with lots of RAM and lots of HDD's (4+)
> > > then you may try to evaluate raid5 or raid6, but be aware that write
> > > speeds are quite low and benchmark this before you using it
> > > seriously. Reading scales well with the number of disks you have.
> > > Makes a good vault for archiving files but might be too slow for a
> > > working area (considering video work). Anyways this once worked for
> > > me.
> > > 
> > > Finally stay away from Raid0, it brings double (or more) the speed
> > > for double (or more) the risk. HDD's *WILL* fail eventually, its
> > > only matter of time and Murphy's law tells this happens when you
> > > are least expect it! This makes only sense for data you can
> > > *extremely* easy recover like volatile cache files (Background
> > > rendering), Files you grabbed from a cam and which are still
> > > available on a fast medium (no you don't want to grab all tapes
> > > again!). For anything else, don't even consider it.
> > > 
> > > Don't forget to make regular Disk checks (regular badblocks
> > > (readonly) checks and then Raid-resyncs with mdadm in daemon mode)
> > > which will try to repair damaged data. Having a smartd running is
> > > nice to find out about if one of your drives will fail soon in few
> > > cases, but doesn't substitute for the disk checks above as
> > > smartchecks don't enforce a repair of damaged data and abort on the
> > > first found error, leaving any potential bad data ahead
> > > undiscovered.
> > > 
> > > And finally: RAID redundancy is only an insurance against Harddisk
> > > failures but does *not* substitute for a backup, one manual mishap
> > > destroying data can not be undone.
> > > 
> > >   Christian
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hope helps.
> > > > 
> > > > Haldun.
> > > > 
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