Thanks George. I am raising a SR to get some more information too. Are you able to explain how the queue-limit of 2457 was selected? Also were you given a version for the increase in the default queue size? I am running me360x-universalk9-mz.152-2.S1.bin

Cheers

Ivan


On 23/Aug/2012 5:48 p.m., George Giannousopoulos wrote:
Hi Ivan,

In fact the default queue limit in 3800x/3600x is quite small
We also had issues with drops in all interfaces, even without congestion

After some research and an SR with Cisco, we have started applying qos on all interfaces

policy-map INTERFACE-OUTPUT-POLICY
  class dummy
  class class-default
   shape average X00000000
   queue-limit 2457 packets


The dummy class does nothing.
It is just there because IOS wouldn't allow changing queue limit otherwise

Also there were issues with the policy counters which should be resolved 
after15.1(2)EY2
Cisco said they would increase the default queue sizes in the second half of 
2012..
So, I suggest you try the latest IOS version and check again

10G interfaces had no drops in our setup too.

Regards
George


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Ivan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Replying to my own message....

    * Adjusting the hold queue didn't help.

    * Applying QOS and per referenced email stopped the drops
    immediately - I
    used something like the below:

    policy-map leaf
    class class-default
    queue-limit 491520 bytes

    policy-map logical
    class class-default
    service-policy leaf

    policy-map root
    class class-default
    service-policy logical

    * I would be interested to hear if others have ended up applying a
    similar
    policy to all interfaces.  Any gotchas?  I expect any 10Gbps
    interfaces
    would be okay without the QoS - haven't seen any issue on these
    myself.

    *Apart from this list I have found very little information around this
    whole issue.  Any pointers to other documentation would be
    appreciated.

    Thanks

    Ivan

    Ivan

    > Hi,
    >
    > I am seeing output drops on a ME3600X interface as shown below
    >
    > GigabitEthernet0/2 is up, line protocol is up (connected)
    >   MTU 9216 bytes, BW 1000000 Kbit/sec, DLY 10 usec,
    >      reliability 255/255, txload 29/255, rxload 2/255
    >   Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set
    >   Keepalive set (10 sec)
    >   Full-duplex, 1000Mb/s, media type is RJ45
    >   input flow-control is off, output flow-control is unsupported
    >   ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 04:00:00
    >   Last input 6w1d, output never, output hang never
    >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:12:56
    >   Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output
    drops: 231
    >   Queueing strategy: fifo
    >   Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)
    >   30 second input rate 10299000 bits/sec, 5463 packets/sec
    >   30 second output rate 114235000 bits/sec, 12461 packets/sec
    >      3812300 packets input, 705758638 bytes, 0 no buffer
    >      Received 776 broadcasts (776 multicasts)
    >      0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
    >      0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored
    >      0 watchdog, 776 multicast, 0 pause input
    >      0 input packets with dribble condition detected
    >      9103882 packets output, 10291542297 bytes, 0 underruns
    >      0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
    >      0 unknown protocol drops
    >      0 babbles, 0 late collision, 0 deferred
    >      0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier, 0 pause output
    >      0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
    >
    > I have read about similar issues on the list:
    > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cisco/nsp/157217
    > https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/2012-July/085889.html
    >
    > 1. I have no QoS policies applied to the physical interface or EVCs.
    > Would increasing the hold queue help?  Is there a recommended
    value - the
    > maximum configurable is 240000.  What is the impact on the 44MB
    of packet
    > buffer.
    >
    > 2. If the hold queue isn't an option is configuring QoS required to
    > increase the queue-limit from the default 100us.  Again are
    there any
    > recommended values and what impact is there on the available 44MB of
    > packet buffer.
    >
    > 3. I have found that when applying policies to the EVCs the
    "show policy
    > map" output does not have information for the queue-limit as I
    have seen
    > when applying polices to the physical interface.  Does this mean
    that EVCs
    > will still suffer from output drops?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Ivan



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