Thanks Anthony,
This will try it in the lab.Keep trying to make the system fool proof, but the 
fools keep getting on the system.

      From: Anthony Holloway <>
 To: Brian Meade <> 
Cc: Carlo Calabrese <>; Cisco VoIP Group 
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] 5 digit and 10 digit dialing
Re-reading my email, I realize I have at least one typo.  I used 6120 as an 
example extension, and I should have used a fourth digit between 2-9 to make 
the example work.  So, take 6126 as my new example extension.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:43 PM Anthony Holloway 
<> wrote:

It's surprising to me, how many people I hear these days, asking to remove the 
PSTN access code (typically a 9 in the US), but then still want intra- and 
inter-site abbreviated dialing habits to be supported.  The usual defense is: 
"I don't have to dial a 9 on my cell phone."  Though, these same people admit 
that they cannot 4 digit dial on their cell phones either.
I have one customer who was talked into a design by someone else, and just the 
opposite of OP, they have to dial a "1" for all calls, local and national.  And 
so, none of the intra- or inter-site abbreviated dialing habits start with a 1.
So, in a way, they're still dialing a PSTN access code, it just happens to be 
"1" and not "9".
Oh, and they cannot have a 0 operator extension, because of international 
dialing habits starting with 011.
That's not great, but I get it.  People ask for things from an ignorant place, 
and it's our jobs as experts to inform and lead design discussions.
I think everyone should avoid inter-digit timeouts (aka post dial delay, aka 
T.302, aka "Why isn't my call working?") in their design, and Cisco has now 
given us the glorious check box for translation patterns: "Do Not Wait For 
Interdigit Timeout On Subsequent Hops" to help do just that.  Now, in variable 
length numbering plans within E164, it's not un-avoidable, but in the US and 
for intra- and inter-site dialing, it is avoidable.
Actually, it's not like what I think is the best design solution just because I 
think it is, but rather, it's actually a published design practice from Cisco 
in their Preferred Architecture for Enterprise Collaboration 11.6:
"Starting the design process with an overview of all dialing habits makes sure 
that overlaps between any two dialing habits leading to inter-digit timeouts 
are detected and can be resolved before starting the dial plan deployment. 
Avoiding overlaps with any other (typically on-net) dialing habit is the key 
reason for using a PSTN access code (typically 9 in the US, as shown above)."
To answer the OP question more directly: well, it depends.
The timer expiring has nothing to do with the pattern that was matched.  For 
example, if you had the following two Translation patterns as potential matches:
1XXX Urgent135! Non-Urgent
And you dialed 1350, you could not dial anymore digits after the 0, even though 
we've used the ! to indicate more digits could follow.  Furthermore, the 
pattern with UP on it, is not matched, because 135! has less potential matches 
(aka is the closest match).
So, with that knowledge, and with what Brian said, you could do this:
XXXX Non-Urgent - Used for intra-site abbreviated dialing - Uses a CSS that can 
only reach internal extensions[2-9]XX[2-9]XXXXXX Urgent - Used for US Local and 
National PSTN dialing - Uses CSS inheritence to match next hop RP for PSTN 
So if the user dialed 6120, then waits for the timer to expire, CUCM selects 
the XXXX non-urgent pattern.  Then, if the user dials 6125551212, CUCM selects 
the urgent pattern for PSTN and routes the call.
In that way, your internal dialing uses one CSS, while your PSTN calls use 
another, and your internal dialing (which should be thought of as fast) will 
now have a post dial delay (default 15 seconds).
Though, I must go back to the beginning of what I was saying, and say that I 
think you should review the documentation on dial plan design.  There are even 
two great sessions at Cisco Live every year on the topic, which you can watch 
for free right now:
Enterprise Dial Plan Fundamentals - BRKUCC-2008
Advanced Dial Plan Design for Unified Communications Networks - BRKUCC-3000
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:00 AM Brian Meade <> wrote:

Can't you just add those partitions to the existing CSS and make sure Urgent 
Priority isn't checked on the 5-digit extensions?
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Carlo Calabrese via cisco-voip 
<> wrote:

  Users are doing 10 digit dialing so any calls local or long distance are just 
10 digits. they also want to do 5 digit dialing to the cube next door. I have 
*XXXX XXXX*but is there a way to look for a dial pattern in a different 
partition after the inter-digit time out is reached.
So they user would start dialing and if they only dial 5 digits and after the 
inter-digit timeout is reached, it would look at another CSS.
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