Whoops!  I had at least two mistakes yesterday, regarding my reply.

1) I tried to correct a mistake I made in the pattern example I gave, but
replied from a different email address than what's sub'ed to this list, so
it bounced back.

2) I used 6120 as an example extension, and I should have used a fourth
digit between 2-9 to make the example work.  So, take 6126 as my new
example extension.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 5:27 PM Carlo Calabrese <
carlo_calabrese2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Anthony,
>
> This will try it in the lab.
> Keep trying to make the system fool proof, but the fools keep getting on
> the system.
>
> Carlo
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Anthony Holloway <avhollo...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Brian Meade <bmead...@vt.edu>
> *Cc:* Carlo Calabrese <carlo_calabrese2...@yahoo.com>; Cisco VoIP Group <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] 5 digit and 10 digit dialing
>
> Re-reading my email, I realize I have at least one typo.  I used 6120 as
> an example extension, and I should have used a fourth digit between 2-9 to
> make the example work.  So, take 6126 as my new example extension.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:43 PM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's surprising to me, how many people I hear these days, asking to remove
> the PSTN access code (typically a 9 in the US), but then still want intra-
> and inter-site abbreviated dialing habits to be supported.  The usual
> defense is: "I don't have to dial a 9 on my cell phone."  Though, these
> same people admit that they cannot 4 digit dial on their cell phones either.
>
> I have one customer who was talked into a design by someone else, and just
> the opposite of OP, they have to dial a "1" for all calls, local and
> national.  And so, none of the intra- or inter-site abbreviated dialing
> habits start with a 1.
>
> So, in a way, they're still dialing a PSTN access code, it just happens to
> be "1" and not "9".
>
> Oh, and they cannot have a 0 operator extension, because of international
> dialing habits starting with 011.
>
> That's not great, but I get it.  People ask for things from an ignorant
> place, and it's our jobs as experts to inform and lead design discussions.
>
> I think everyone should avoid inter-digit timeouts (aka post dial delay,
> aka T.302, aka "Why isn't my call working?") in their design, and Cisco has
> now given us the glorious check box for translation patterns: "Do Not Wait
> For Interdigit Timeout On Subsequent Hops" to help do just that.  Now, in
> variable length numbering plans within E164, it's not un-avoidable, but in
> the US and for intra- and inter-site dialing, it is avoidable.
>
> Actually, it's not like what I think is the best design solution just
> because I think it is, but rather, it's actually a published design
> practice from Cisco in their Preferred Architecture for Enterprise
> Collaboration 11.6:
>
> *"Starting the design process with an overview of all dialing habits makes
> sure that overlaps between any two dialing habits leading to inter-digit
> timeouts are detected and can be resolved before starting the dial plan
> deployment. Avoiding overlaps with any other (typically on-net) dialing
> habit is the key reason for using a PSTN access code (typically 9 in the
> US, as shown above)."*
>
> Source:
> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/CVD/Collaboration/enterprise/11x/116/collbcvd/control.html
>
> To answer the OP question more directly: well, it depends.
>
> The timer expiring has nothing to do with the pattern that was matched.
> For example, if you had the following two Translation patterns as potential
> matches:
>
> 1XXX Urgent
> 135! Non-Urgent
>
> And you dialed 1350, you could not dial anymore digits after the 0, even
> though we've used the ! to indicate more digits could follow.  Furthermore,
> the pattern with UP on it, is not matched, because 135! has less potential
> matches (aka is the closest match).
>
> So, with that knowledge, and with what Brian said, you could do this:
>
> XXXX Non-Urgent - Used for intra-site abbreviated dialing - Uses a CSS
> that can only reach internal extensions
> [2-9]XX[2-9]XXXXXX Urgent - Used for US Local and National PSTN dialing -
> Uses CSS inheritence to match next hop RP for PSTN routing
>
> So if the user dialed 6120, then waits for the timer to expire, CUCM
> selects the XXXX non-urgent pattern.  Then, if the user dials 6125551212
> <(612)%20555-1212>, CUCM selects the urgent pattern for PSTN and routes
> the call.
>
> In that way, your internal dialing uses one CSS, while your PSTN calls use
> another, and your internal dialing (which should be thought of as fast)
> will now have a post dial delay (default 15 seconds).
>
> Though, I must go back to the beginning of what I was saying, and say that
> I think you should review the documentation on dial plan design.  There are
> even two great sessions at Cisco Live every year on the topic, which you
> can watch for free right now:
>
> Enterprise Dial Plan Fundamentals - BRKUCC-2008
> <https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library/?search=dial%20plan%20fundimentals&search.event=ciscoliveus2017#/session/1484348904036001WD7Q>
>
> Advanced Dial Plan Design for Unified Communications Networks - BRKUCC-3000
> <https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library/?search=advanced%20dial%20plan&search.event=ciscoliveus2017#/session/1484348904069001Wggq>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:00 AM Brian Meade <bmead...@vt.edu> wrote:
>
> Can't you just add those partitions to the existing CSS and make sure
> Urgent Priority isn't checked on the 5-digit extensions?
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Carlo Calabrese via cisco-voip <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>
>   Users are doing 10 digit dialing so any calls local or long distance are
> just 10 digits.
> they also want to do 5 digit dialing to the cube next door. I have *XXXX
> XXXX*
> but is there a way to look for a dial pattern in a different partition
> after the inter-digit time out is reached.
>
> So they user would start dialing and if they only dial 5 digits and after
> the inter-digit timeout is reached, it would look at another CSS.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Carlo
>
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