Whoops! I had at least two mistakes yesterday, regarding my reply. 1) I tried to correct a mistake I made in the pattern example I gave, but replied from a different email address than what's sub'ed to this list, so it bounced back.
2) I used 6120 as an example extension, and I should have used a fourth digit between 2-9 to make the example work. So, take 6126 as my new example extension. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 5:27 PM Carlo Calabrese < carlo_calabrese2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Anthony, > > This will try it in the lab. > Keep trying to make the system fool proof, but the fools keep getting on > the system. > > Carlo > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anthony Holloway <avhollo...@gmail.com> > *To:* Brian Meade <bmead...@vt.edu> > *Cc:* Carlo Calabrese <carlo_calabrese2...@yahoo.com>; Cisco VoIP Group < > email@example.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] 5 digit and 10 digit dialing > > Re-reading my email, I realize I have at least one typo. I used 6120 as > an example extension, and I should have used a fourth digit between 2-9 to > make the example work. So, take 6126 as my new example extension. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:43 PM Anthony Holloway < > avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It's surprising to me, how many people I hear these days, asking to remove > the PSTN access code (typically a 9 in the US), but then still want intra- > and inter-site abbreviated dialing habits to be supported. The usual > defense is: "I don't have to dial a 9 on my cell phone." Though, these > same people admit that they cannot 4 digit dial on their cell phones either. > > I have one customer who was talked into a design by someone else, and just > the opposite of OP, they have to dial a "1" for all calls, local and > national. And so, none of the intra- or inter-site abbreviated dialing > habits start with a 1. > > So, in a way, they're still dialing a PSTN access code, it just happens to > be "1" and not "9". > > Oh, and they cannot have a 0 operator extension, because of international > dialing habits starting with 011. > > That's not great, but I get it. People ask for things from an ignorant > place, and it's our jobs as experts to inform and lead design discussions. > > I think everyone should avoid inter-digit timeouts (aka post dial delay, > aka T.302, aka "Why isn't my call working?") in their design, and Cisco has > now given us the glorious check box for translation patterns: "Do Not Wait > For Interdigit Timeout On Subsequent Hops" to help do just that. Now, in > variable length numbering plans within E164, it's not un-avoidable, but in > the US and for intra- and inter-site dialing, it is avoidable. > > Actually, it's not like what I think is the best design solution just > because I think it is, but rather, it's actually a published design > practice from Cisco in their Preferred Architecture for Enterprise > Collaboration 11.6: > > *"Starting the design process with an overview of all dialing habits makes > sure that overlaps between any two dialing habits leading to inter-digit > timeouts are detected and can be resolved before starting the dial plan > deployment. Avoiding overlaps with any other (typically on-net) dialing > habit is the key reason for using a PSTN access code (typically 9 in the > US, as shown above)."* > > Source: > https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/CVD/Collaboration/enterprise/11x/116/collbcvd/control.html > > To answer the OP question more directly: well, it depends. > > The timer expiring has nothing to do with the pattern that was matched. > For example, if you had the following two Translation patterns as potential > matches: > > 1XXX Urgent > 135! Non-Urgent > > And you dialed 1350, you could not dial anymore digits after the 0, even > though we've used the ! to indicate more digits could follow. Furthermore, > the pattern with UP on it, is not matched, because 135! has less potential > matches (aka is the closest match). > > So, with that knowledge, and with what Brian said, you could do this: > > XXXX Non-Urgent - Used for intra-site abbreviated dialing - Uses a CSS > that can only reach internal extensions > [2-9]XX[2-9]XXXXXX Urgent - Used for US Local and National PSTN dialing - > Uses CSS inheritence to match next hop RP for PSTN routing > > So if the user dialed 6120, then waits for the timer to expire, CUCM > selects the XXXX non-urgent pattern. Then, if the user dials 6125551212 > <(612)%20555-1212>, CUCM selects the urgent pattern for PSTN and routes > the call. > > In that way, your internal dialing uses one CSS, while your PSTN calls use > another, and your internal dialing (which should be thought of as fast) > will now have a post dial delay (default 15 seconds). > > Though, I must go back to the beginning of what I was saying, and say that > I think you should review the documentation on dial plan design. There are > even two great sessions at Cisco Live every year on the topic, which you > can watch for free right now: > > Enterprise Dial Plan Fundamentals - BRKUCC-2008 > <https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library/?search=dial%20plan%20fundimentals&search.event=ciscoliveus2017#/session/1484348904036001WD7Q> > > Advanced Dial Plan Design for Unified Communications Networks - BRKUCC-3000 > <https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library/?search=advanced%20dial%20plan&search.event=ciscoliveus2017#/session/1484348904069001Wggq> > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:00 AM Brian Meade <bmead...@vt.edu> wrote: > > Can't you just add those partitions to the existing CSS and make sure > Urgent Priority isn't checked on the 5-digit extensions? > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Carlo Calabrese via cisco-voip < > firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > Users are doing 10 digit dialing so any calls local or long distance are > just 10 digits. > they also want to do 5 digit dialing to the cube next door. I have *XXXX > XXXX* > but is there a way to look for a dial pattern in a different partition > after the inter-digit time out is reached. > > So they user would start dialing and if they only dial 5 digits and after > the inter-digit timeout is reached, it would look at another CSS. > > Thanks. > > Carlo > > _______________________________________________ > cisco-voip mailing list > email@example.com > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip > > > _______________________________________________ > cisco-voip mailing list > firstname.lastname@example.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip > > > >
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