Interesting thing is this preso (which is not official for TAC Purposes) says I 
can go from 8.6 to 12.5 directly in OS admin, but docs say use PCD. Not going 
to try it, but nevertheless curious.


Matthew Loraditch
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From: Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:29 PM
To: Matthew Loraditch <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5

[EXTERNAL]

Another thing, CUCM 12.5 specific, Cisco wants all of us to run through the 
Collaboration Sizing Tool every time we upgrade to 12.5 now.

See slide 13
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:08 PM Anthony Holloway 
<avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com<mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Keep in mind that PCD network migrations, while awesome for CUCM, do not work 
for other products.

Typically with a project like this, you'll likely have a different approach for 
each app, and not a one size fits all solution.

With the app upgrades, you will also have to change OVA sizes (or want to in 
some cases), and at that point, it might be better to install fresh, and use 
tools like COBRAS, BAT, AXL, ADMIN API, stare & compare, etc. to get data 
exported/imported from old to new.

Or like Kent said, tell yourself it's a toshiba system, and treat it like a 
greenfield.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:26 AM Matthew Loraditch 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>> 
wrote:
Here’s a fun one. We have taken over support of these ancient servers hosted on 
Esxi 4.1 on UCS-C200-M2s!

Exact Versions are:
8.5 SU2 for CUCM/UCXN
8.5 FCS for UCCX

Each  is a pair of servers.

Have new M5s and flex licensing… need to get to 12.5..  8.5 docs are dead for 
CUCM/UCXN and 8 and 9 docs are dead for UCCX. ISOs I may need are not available 
publicly.

Also fun wrinkle the new host are across the WAN and for many logistical 
reasons are staying there. The migration to the new hosts will have to be via 
DRS or maybe PCD somehow? Not sure if the bandwidth available to get data 
across will be fast enough to finish in the allotted time period. My plan was a 
change freeze window and copy/restore the backups and then activate the new 
servers and move the subnet to the new location.

As best I can tell I need to get UCCX to SU4 of 8.5.1 then I can go to 10.6 SU3 
and then to 12x (with the fun of two CAD upgrades and then a migration to 
Finesse!)

For CUCM/UCXN I need to go to 8.6 anything and then I can go to 11.5 and then 
to 12x

I think my plan is to do the upgrades to the interim versions on the old hosts 
then migrate to the new and then finish the upgrades. The old hosts will need 
ESXi upgrades to an interim version.

Anyone have thoughts on what they would do here? This is partially depending on 
TAC being able to provide me the ISOs I will need, but I presume there is an 
archive.

In theory some sort of PCD migration is also an option, but I’ve never done one 
and not sure how it could handle the subnet situation that will have to exist.

Welcome to my fun life!














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