Thanks for sharing. My expressways were set up by professional services with 
almost little to no “learning” involved. 

Also, I think we should follow in the footsteps of our scientific brothers and 
sisters and name these anomalies after the person that first finds them.  

;)

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> Afternoon all, my team and I just got to the bottom of a particularly gnarly 
> problem with a pair of new SIP trunks which I’ll explain in case it’s of use 
> to others, but I have a question at the end regarding SIP configuration on 
> Expressways, particularly in traversal/MRA zones.
> 
> In summary, a small but reproducible volume of calls were silently failing 
> when routed over our new SIP trunks rather than our legacy ISDN30 circuits. 
> We were getting a "483 Too Many Hops" error back from the TSP indication we’d 
> reached the hop limit specified for connecting the call. Most calls were 
> being set up with max-forwards=70 (the default) but certain calls were 
> exiting our network through our CUBES with it set to 12 or 13. Calls from 
> both physical and Jabber softphones where affected, although notably only 
> newer 8800 series SIP handsets.
> 
> I tried forcing max-forwards on the CUBEs to 70 but this didn’t change the 
> outgoing calls that were already having problems.
> 
> Eventually we narrowed it down to calls from MRA registered devices on our 
> expressways (mostly Jabber but with a small number of 8845s in staff home 
> offices), as all failed calls had the same source IP address when we looked 
> at the corresponding CDRs; although this wasn’t visible in the SIP traces 
> which made diagnosis harder (source IP address is the subscriber when looking 
> at the CUBE’s SIP ). A quick look at edge and core expressways showed that 
> “max hops” was to set to 15 in the relevant zones. Cisco documentation says 
> this is the default, but suggests to set it higher if calls are failing with 
> a 483 code. So we set the max hops to 70 and calls are now connecting as 
> expected.
> 
> 
> 
> So…question: why is the max hops set so low (15) on expressway zones by 
> default when it’s set to 70 on CUBEs, and is there anything this is likely to 
> break/that I should look out for now I’ve made the change?
> 
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