That's a good point!  How would the router even know that a packet was
dropped in the cloud?  It wouldn't.

Thanks for the correction,
John

>  One quick correction on the reply below. The dropped packet
>  counter in the "show frame-relay pvc" is defined as the
>  following:
>  
>  dropped pkts: Number of incoming and outgoing packets dropped
>  by the router at the Frame Relay level.
>  
>  So the counter it is not reflecting the amount of packets
>  dropped in the Frame-relay cloud, but by the local router.
>  
>  Also AT&T should be able to provide you with a report for your
>  port off of their switch. I would contact your sales rep and
>  demand one.
>  
>  Dan
>  
>  
>  >From: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >Reply-To: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >Subject: Re: OT: Justifying CIR Increases
>  >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT)
>  >
>  >At a router command line, type "show frame pvc".  Look at the stats for
In
>  >DE Pkts and Dropped Packets for the PVC in question.  This will show you

>  >the
>  >number of packets that crossed that PVC while over your CIR, and also
the
>  >actual number of packets dropped.
>  >
>  >It's probably best to clear your counters first and then wait a day or
so 
>  >to
>  >get a more accurate indication of what is currently happening on that
>  >circuit.
>  >
>  >HTH,
>  >
>  >John Neiberger
>  >
>  > >  How do you justify increasing CIRs? My manager wants to know if I
>  >am/AT&T's
>  > >  network is dropping packets on the PVC. We exceed the CIR of 16k for
up
>  >to
>  > >  90k sometimes - but my manager doesn't see a problem with this since
no
>  >one
>  > >  at AT&T can confirm 100% that we are dropping packets when we see
>  >congestion
>  > >  on the PVC.
>  > >
>  > >  How do you convince management that running at 90k on a 16k CIR for 
>  >days
>  > >  means that the CIR needs to be upgraded?
>  > >
>  > >  Please help!
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