This was always going to be a problem with the Internet from day one. Not
only do you have access to information on a grand scale but it crosses so
many national boundaries, in the case of America State Boundaries and in
both cases law. Both American laws and other sovereign states. I could
have any authors book here and publish it on the web from a remote site
without anybody else having legal recourse because I am in some sort of
virtual or cyberspace which nobody has control of!
The actualities are that the net allows increased access to information from
all who place it there or use it. Has nobody thought that this increased
access far from diminishing an authors income may increase it and their
fame/demand. Where would Todd, Priscilla, Chellis, Odom and others be
without the advertisements and spread of information that the web and web
sites provide, not to mention the free advertisement space that this
provides. America is a large place with very very many back woods to get
lost in intellectually or not and without the web and Cisco some people
would be deep in the woods!
Regardless of the amount of people who rip off the authors........many other
people like me......will buy the book, yes I buy the things for hard cash!
I will be doing CID and I will buy Priscillas Book, Top Down Network Design
as it is regarded as a de facto standard as far as I can see in Cisco
Internetwork Design and in addition a book until some other medium is found
is an excellent portable storage system. Has anyone tried really to study
from a Notebook/Laptop/Screen etc for several hours/days....get real, want
eyes like a mole! So the/a CD (I do get one don't I or I shall feel short
changed out of �42.99 or $70-00 plus dollars) is a by the way bonus! To
print out some 500 to 900 pages of a Cisco style technical book on PDF with
the standard inkjet would cost the same as the price of the book and more,
unless your doing it on an employers equipment which now does amount to
plain theft. To take it off the web without unmetered access would cost
even more.
I think the problem and the complaint could be seen not as intellectual
property rights but simply the maximisation of profits and rewards. Besides
what happens when I now decide I have no further use for the book and decide
to sell it on with its CD to defray my costs of the same authors next book
or second addition, should I have to destroy the tome or should I pass it on
or sell it to others who hopefully will learn and make use of it. Should I
offer it back to the author for a price after all its intellectually his.
Should we be out burning all second hand books then to keep authors in
largesse, or, information controlled! Now I know a nice German gentleman
that practised book burning and strangely he was an author too! I think
that authors of highly technical books who have the maximum exposure on the
web will reap profits far in excess of their ordinary chances (there is only
room for a very few Stephen HAWKINGS in the wider publishing world), after
all is ABC or NBC really interested in the latest hot offering in detail
about OSPF/IGRP etc, would you really get a look in there, no.....there far
more interested in who blew in with the President today (I think I got the
wording right there). But this is not the first time this has been
discussed here and my guess is not the last......talk about off topic, 30
pieces of silver please!
Karl HUTCHINSON
----- Original Message -----
From: "William E Gragido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
> I could be wrong, and do correct me if thats the case, but I was under the
> impression that once someone has purchased a book, that they have the
right
> to share that book with others provided that no monetary exchange is
taking
> place. If there is such an exchange then I could see how an author could
> get his/her feathers in an uproar, but if there is no exchange what is the
> harm? If what you are proposing was truly the case, than the disbursement
> of knowledge via books(that in centuries past were hand copied), would
never
> had occurred. Furthermore, what you are proposing directly targets the
> largest offenders this sort of breach of ethics.....libraries, schools,
> colleges and universities. Not trying to start another flame war, simply
> striving for more clarity. Tell me this, have you ever leant a book to
> someone? Any book, doesn't have to be a technical book necessarily, just
a
> book. If so, I would encourage you to discipline yourself! :-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:34 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
> >
> >
> > Ben Lovegrove's Web site links to Amazon's site so you can buy the
books.
> > Of course, that's completely different than what this other person did.
> > This other person posted the whole book online on what appears to be his
> > own personal Web site. He doesn't appear to be associated with the
> > publisher. I don't think he's one of the authors either, though that's
> > generally irrelevant. The publisher usually owns the copyright.
> >
> > The publisher, Syngress, got what they deserved possibly, since they
> > published the whole book on the included CD. But when you open
> > that CD you
> > agree to use it for your own personal use only. (At least that's usually
> > the case. Does anyone have the book with the original CD packaging?
Could
> > you tell us what it says?)
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:30 PM 7/24/00, William E Gragido wrote:
> > >Priscilla,
> > >
> > >On the one hand, its a definite ethical error, on the flipside(gotta
play
> > >the devil's advocate here), is it any different than what thousands of
> > >technical sites do? I am not justifying it, from a legal perspective
> > >however I would like to point out that some the best sites on
> > the internet
> > >dedicated to networking and data communications have or are
> > doing the same
> > >thing. Take Ben Lovegrove's site, which by the way, I love! He
> > has links
> > >to several other sites containing entire volumes of information(see the
> > >Syngress link). Is it wrong? To some perhaps, if copyright and
> > credit are
> > >not giving their due, but I would be curious to see how many of
> > who utilize
> > >these resources would actively campaign against them. Just a
> > few thoughts!
> > >By the way, your books are great!
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:40 PM
> > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Neelanga Udash'
> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: Very good web site for CCNA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was really impressed when I first reviewed this online
> > > > material. It's so
> > > > much better than most of the crap that's out there. Then I
> > realized it's
> > > > the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by
> > Syngress! How
> > > > could someone publish this online?? It appears to be a flagrant
> > > > example of
> > > > theft.
> > > >
> > > > Priscilla
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >---------- From: Neelanga Udash Reply To: Neelanga
> > > > >Udash Sent: Monday, 24 July, 2000 7:43
> > > > >AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Very good
> > > > web site for
> > > > >CCNA
> > > > >
> > > > >Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > >Take a look at this site. There is a whole book of CCNA
> > material written
> > > > >by a CCIE,
> > > > >
> > > > ><http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/testhome.htm>http://www.rkingma.com
> > > > /cisco/testhome.htm
> > > > ><http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/testhome.htm>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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