Well, I have a different question that kinda goes along here.  If you are in a 
switched environment, i.e. dedicated bandwidth per port, how can you have a collision 
at all?  To me it seems (and Radia Perlmann touches on this in her book but doesn't 
give any explanation) that if there is no chance for a collision (switched 
environment) then why a distance limitation?  I'm sure there are some other physics 
factors that would limit distance but would they be the same as the distance required 
to detect a collision?


Steve


------Original Message------
From: "Randy Witt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 27, 2000 1:53:55 PM GMT
Subject: CCDA question-512 bit times


I have a question regarding the round-trip propagation delay on an Ethernet network.

Page 123 of the Cisco Press "Designing Cisco Networks" book states:

"The most significant design rule for Ethernet is that the round-trip propagation 
delay in one collision domain must not exceed 512 bit times, which is a requirement 
for collision detection to work correctly."

With 100Mbps Ethernet, the maximum round-trip delay would be 5.12 seconds, resulting 
in a distance limitation of 205 meters.

I currently oversee a large flat network covering several miles in diameter.  All of 
the links between buildings are single-mode fiber links.  No routing is involved, 
everything is switched - one large broadcast domain.

How does the 512 bit time rule apply to fiber optic cabling?  I see on page 127 of the 
same book that the Round trip delay in bit times per meter for Cat5 cable is 1.112, 
whereas Fiber-optic cable it's 1.0.

I guess I'm having difficulty understanding how fiber can overcome the 512 bit-time 
rule and can have a much longer distance.

I do realize that this is not exactly a Cisco question, though covered on the DCN/CCDA 
material.  If someone could kindly refer me to any material that covers this topic, 
I'd appreciate it.

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