Likelihood of passing without ECP1? 10-20% first time is average.  With ECP1, maybe 30 
or 40 given good prep and a favour able exam.  Cost of doing test? 1000 Travel, 1000 
Lab, 2000+ lost work or billing, ??? lost to concentration on test instead of work.  
Seems to justify an extra couple k for the course.  If you can get there in 1 or 2 
instead of 3 or 4 you will save considerable dollars and ECP1 is about as lifelike and 
intense as it gets and is highly recommended by many.

Pete


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On 8/6/00 at 11:01 PM Dennis E. Bates wrote:

>Thanks,
>
>I checked out the link,  ECP1 seems to be exactly what I am looking for.
>Now the question becomes How do I sell my company on spending $3600 + travel
>to prepare me so they can spend another $1000 + travel (probably more than
>once)  to send me to San Jose ???
>
>I am sitting here filling out my training request form. This is not going to
>help my managers ulcers........
>
>
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>Peter A van Oene
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:32 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: If u had to take one class
>
>
>
>Prep like normal and then take Bruce Caslow's CCIE Lab prep course, Expert
>CCIE Prep Class 1, or ECP1 from MentorTech.  Its a little more costly than
>some, but will give you the scenario practise you need.  Until then, read
>books and make routers do wierd things.
>
>Heres a link to the ECP course.
>
>http://www.mentortech.com/learn/desc_ECP1.shtml
>
>Pete
>
>
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>On 8/6/00 at 3:33 PM Dennis E. Bates wrote:
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>>Hi Group !!!
>>
>>Just a question.  If your employer had agreed to pay for one and only one
>>class to help you prepare for your CCIE lab exam (you have already passed
>>your written).  What class would you take and where ?  I would like to use
>>the money to buy equipment, but unfortunatly, thats not my call.  I'm
>>thinking CATM or CVOICE since, i don't get much of a chance to put my hands
>>on ATM or Voip gear.  But then again maybe I should reinforce the meat and
>>potatoes topics like advanced OSPF or BGP ? Any suggestions as to the best
>>use of the one class?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dennis
>>
>>
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