NIce for all of us to know, thanks a bunch. I am waiting personally for something positive (and info) from "feeders" that live near end of the groupstudy (telco) hop-off .... ;-)
hahahahhaaaaa Martijn -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Bruce Enders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag 30 juli 2003 17:26 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: VOIP Minutes [7:73210] Chuck, I just returned from India doing some IP Telephony training. According to the students there your description is close, but not fully descriptive. What is being discussed is something called "foreign end hop-off" (in telephone jargon). This practice is loosely defined as calls originating in one location being transported across a private network to a distant location, and then being handed off to a local telco for connection to a PSTN phone in the distant city. (Thereby avoiding LD charges). The regulations that govern this vary depending on where you are in the world. According to a fellow VOX instructor that was familiar with the laws in the region, it was a beheading offense in Malaysia at one time. :-(. ;-( In the USA, this practice is "legal" as long as the calling party and called party are performing a function related to a mutual business arrangement. (A procurement person in LA is calling a vendor contact in Oklahoma City to check on shipping schedules). However, should an employee of the same company call an acquaintance in OKC over the same facilities, the organization responsible for the private transport network (No, not the WAN SP), is in violation of FCC regulations. The private transport network is now being used by an individual consumer to perform the job normally performed by an IXC (Inter-Exchange Carrier). The IXC industry is a tariffed business, the US government wants their tariff $$$$. (And we all thought that it was just the LD SPs that were concerned about Toll bypass). ;-) Now, back to India; VOIP systems can be connected to the local switch in India. The system is not supposed to allow a PSTN phone in India to call a PSTN phone elsewhere in the world, (or anywhere India Telephone considers long distance). Basically the system connected to the local telco is segregated from the Toll bypass VOIP system to prevent those connections. But, an employee in India can call a coworker in the USA, using a VOIP system (IP phone to IP phone) without fear of criminal prosecution. It is up to the business governing the VOIP system in India to prevent "foreign end hop-off" at the distant end by "gentlemen's agreement". Discovery and Enforcement are the main issues here. It should be obvious that enforcing rules controlling "foreign end hop-off" through a "gentlemen's agreement" is not necessarily a realistic expectation on the part of anyone. India just makes it simple; the system connected to the local telco will not be part of a Toll bypass system, period. If you want to support Toll bypass for your company by incorporating IP Telephony or any VOX system, that is perfectly okay. Just don't connect that system to their local telco. (Unless they station someone to oversee each installation now and forever, how would they know you didn't allow communications between the two VOIP systems?) As you may have noticed in this whole scenario, the called party has very little to do with the discussion. That is because the destination Carrier of a LD phone call doesn't realize much, if any, income from terminating the LD phone call. They get their money from the subscriber for providing the phone connection in the first place. They only get additional income when that subscriber makes an outbound LD call. Most telcos get little or nothing for connecting an inbound LD call. As far as buying VOIP minutes into India. There are multitudes of LD calling card vendors that use VOIP networks for transport. (Last Mile, Nexxus Telecom. etc.) But, I am not aware of any SP that would have a gateway into India Telephone, that would allow a consumer to simply connect a VOIP gateway into their network. (They have far better control, and less compatibility hassles if you just dial-in from your PSTN telephone). But the whole VOIP and IP Telephony technologies have created some very surprising business opportunities, so keep looking there may be an SP out there interested in supporting your request. This is what happens when you get tied up with laws and lawyers. You get long winded answers to seemingly short questions! ;-) Bruce Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter wrote: ""Curious"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Fellows Where is the best place to buy International VOIP minutes, e.g I have a voice gateway and i want to call India on a regular phone, i have to have a voip gateway in inda to make this call or if some one already has voip gateways in india and they are selling there minutes. does it make sence to any one. ? last I heard ( and my info could be obsolete ) is that India did not allow gateways between VoIP nets and their own telco network. You can have dedicated phone links using VoIP, but those phones on the Indian side are not allowed to connect into their telco net in any way shape or form. vestige of monopoly by a state run institution or some such. -- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73716&t=73716 -------------------------------------------------- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
