Thanks everyone for the great comments and replies. This was all very helpfull.
Dain ""Brad Dodds"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Where I work, we have 5 "dry pair" circuits to customers (out of 1300). > We provide the signaling on the lines with sets of Campus brand pair gain > units at the sites and 14 card chassis style pair gain unit at our POP. > They are much less expensive ($18 per month vs. $100 for business class DSL) > but I can say the savings of $80 dollars or so a month is NOT WORTH IT for > an organization that needs 24 X 7 availability of the circuit. > The telco only garuntees that the wire won't have any opens or shorts, they > make no promise of the medium having low noise ratio on the line. > These legacy circuits have been very much a problem when it rains, gets hot > or anytime the weather changes, but our customers are spoiled by the > inexpensive price and won't upgrade to another, more reliable delivery. > The telco seems very aware of the low/no profit margin on these circuits and > are generally not very motivated to spend much time on them when there is a > problem. > I strongly discourage service providers from deploying this type of > technology, however, we are getting ready to test a newer type of "magic > box" (called Storm Port by vendor-I think) which is supposedly able to > deliver 6Meg across dry pair at much greater distances. We are very > skeptical of the vendors claims, but one of our customers which the vendor > pitched wants to try it. > I will report back to the group on how it works out. > > """Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter""" wrote in > message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to "dark fiber?" > > > > > > as a matter of fact, yes. > > > > copper from your friendly telco with no dial tone. a local loop with no > > signaling equipoment attached. alarm companies use it extensively, place > > their own signal on it, and thwart the burglars > > > > I have heard tell of folks using dry pair to create private point to point > > DSL. I don't personally know anyone who has done so. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Priscilla > > > > > > "Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: > > > > > > > > ""Dain Deutschman"" wrote in message > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the > > > > Pairgain Campus > > > > HRS > > > > > or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl > > > > connection over dry > > > > > copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly > > > > helpfull. > > > > What > > > > > are some of you using for this type of situation? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a > > > > couple of 827's > > > > and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :-> > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html > > > > > > > > http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html > > > > > > > > one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - > > > > they use dry > > > > copper. > > > > > > > > or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at > > > > each end. I'm > > > > sure there are competitors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dain Deutschman > > > > > ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna > > > > > Data Communications Manager > > > > > New Star Sales and Service, Inc. > > > > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy > > > > Store: > > > > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=74765&t=74117 -------------------------------------------------- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
