Dom wrote: > > And one last point, No LAN is an island, why two IG(P) > protocols and no > EG(P) protocol? > > A NA should at least a some understanding of how to connect to > the > outside world - when to use BGP and when not to.
Default routing. Wouldn't we all be better off if CCNAs would stay away from BGP?? :-) Priscilla > > Sorry Fred, not having a go at you personally, but these are > points we > all need to think about. > > Best regards, > > Dom Stocqueler > SysDom Technologies > Visit our website - www.sysdom.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 09 September 2003 23:37 > To: 'Reimer, Fred'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050] > > > Oh, and while I'm on the subject - why EIGRP? This is a > proprietary > Cisco Protocol. OK, I believe that Juniper may have implemented > it, but > to the best of my knowledge no one else has. > > Best regards, > > Dom Stocqueler > SysDom Technologies > Visit our website - www.sysdom.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Reimer, Fred > Sent: 09 September 2003 22:03 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050] > > > I guess my expectation and Cisco's, or at least their current > expectations as listed on their web site, don't match then. By > my > definition a beginner should know about CIDR, EIGRP, and OSPF. > It's not > like they are inherently difficult to understand. People tend > to make > it sound like rocket science or voodoo magic. It's just a > routing > protocol folks. > > Fred Reimer - CCNA > > > Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA > 30338 > Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 > > > NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary > information > which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the > named > recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has > misdirected the > email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If > you are > not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, > disclose, > distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should > immediately > delete it from your computer. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter" > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050] > > ""Reimer, Fred"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > May be I had advanced access to the new NA material then ;-) > In my > > view, > a > > NA should be able to handle basic RIP, OSPF, EIGRP in a small > to > > medium sized network. That would certainly include CIDR. A > NP, IMO, > > would be > for > > advanced RIP, OSPF, EIGRP, and basic BGP, like for > configuring a > > mid-large sized network for connection to the Internet > including > > minimal BGP. IE, IMO, is for ISP engineers that have to deal > with > > extensive IS-IS, BGP > using > > all options, etc, and large to huge (global) networks. > > > > May be I'm just expecting too much, but if you don't > understand CIDR > > you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a router, let alone be > > responsible for configuring them. > > > with all due respect, I disagree. CCNA is promoted by Cisco as > being > someone capable of designing and configuring a small network. > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le0/le9/learning_certificati > on_t > ype_home.html > > "The CCNA certification (Cisco Certified Network Associate) > indicates a > foundation in and apprentice knowledge of networking. CCNA > certified > professionals can install, configure, and operate LAN, WAN, and > dial > access services for small networks (100 nodes or fewer), > including but > not limited to use of these protocols: IP, IGRP, Serial, Frame > Relay, IP > RIP, VLANs, RIP, Ethernet, Access Lists." > > my experience has been that small nets have less if any need > for CIDR > knowledge or expertise. > > Cisco has over the past couple of years been slowly upping the > ante, and > I wish Cisco would get clear as to what skill sets are > appropriate at > what certification level. Cisco tends to be all over the map on > this, > and has been the netire time I have been playing at > certification. But > in general, I believe the idea is that CCxA is beginner, CCxP is > intermediate, and CCIE is high level. > > as with all things certification related, YMMV. I've known > CCNA's who > manage large networks, and I've known CCIE's whose knowledge of > certain > specific areas was less than expert. As can be expected, > depending on > experience, job, place of employment, years in the field, etc. > > Chuck > > > > > > Fred Reimer - CCNA > > > > > > Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA > 30338 > > Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 > > > > > > NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary > information > > which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the > named > > recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has > misdirected > > the email, please notify the author by replying to this > message. If > > you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to > use, > > disclose, distribute, copy, > print > > or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from > your > computer. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:33 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050] > > > > Reimer, Fred wrote: > > > > > > No offense, but this is CCNA material. > > > > Do they still teach classful for CCNA, though? Perhaps the > only thing > that's > > hard for him is that 192.168.24.0 has a mask of 255.255.255.0 > in a > classful > > system. Moving the prefix over to the left of that classful > boundary > > isn't something they teach for CCNA yet. (They will soon. The > new > > Networking Academy books teach it from the start now.) > > > > Priscilla > > > > > If you are going for > > > your CCNP, then > > > you should already have your CCNA and know the answer. But > > > anyway... > > > > > > If you need a network with 400 hosts, the smallest subnet > would have > > > > a /23 mask. So take the first part of your given network > and assign > > > it to that: > > > > > > 192.168.24.0/23 (192.168.24.0-192.168.25.255) > > > > > > Then you need one with 200 hosts. Well, that could fit > within a /24 > > > > subnet, so assign the next available to that: > > > > > > 192.168.26.0/24 (192.168.26.0-192.168.26.255) > > > > > > Now you only have 192.168.27.0/24 left from the original > > > 192.168.24.0/23 (which covered > 192.168.24.0-192.168.27.255). You > > > need two 50's, so that > > > should fit within /26 subnets each. Assign them: > > > > > > 192.168.27.0/26 (192.168.27.0-192.168.27.63) > 192.168.27.64/26 > > > (192.168.27.64-192.168.27.191) > > > > > > Finally, you need three subnets that can have two hosts > each, which > > > would fit within /30 subnets. So assign: > > > > > > 192.168.27.192/30 > > > 192.168.27.196/30 > > > 192.168.27.200/30 > > > > > > > > > Fred Reimer - CCNA > > > > > > > > > Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA > 30338 > > > Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 > > > > > > > > > NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary > > > information which > > > may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named > > > recipient(s). > > > If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the > > > email, please > > > notify the author by replying to this message. If you are > not > > > the named > > > recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, > distribute, > > > copy, print > > > or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from > > > your computer. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven Aiello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:02 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Please Help - CIDR - How the bits work [7:75050] > > > > > > I just started my routing class for my CCNP. We are > covering > > > CIDR. The > > > book is VEEEEEERY vague on how the bit patterns break down > and > > > are used. > > > > > > > > > This was a problem posed in one of my CCNP labs > > > > > > I have network number > > > > > > 192.168.24.0 / 22 > > > > > > from this I need > > > networks with > > > > > > 400 hosts > > > 200 hosts > > > 50 hosts > > > 50 hosts > > > 2 hosts (for serial int - no ip un-numbered allowed ) > > > 2 hosts > > > 2 hosts > > > > > > Also no NATing > > > > > > Thanks all I really could use the help > > > > > > Steve > > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the > GroupStudy > > > Store: > > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy > Store: > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy > Store: > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy > Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy > Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=75135&t=75050 -------------------------------------------------- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
