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H-1Bs are not paid at market rate even though it is federal law.
In Clearwater, FL there is a company that recruits only H-1Bs from other
countries.
One of their salesman was being interviewed by the local newspaper, St
Petersburg Times, and he was naming off the advantages of hiring foreign
workers, and I quote, "We just placed one man in Boston for $55k/yr if it
had been an American they would have had to pay $85K/yr".
I keep wondering about that level playing field George Bush Sr was always
talking about.
Like the man said...The H-1B program is a fraud.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>I thought H1-B were suppose to be paid at market rate?
>
>BTW, it takes about 3 months to transfer a H1-B so if the foreign workers
do
>not like their jobs then they have no recourse but work until it is
>transferred. Or not work until it is transferred. They don't have it easy
>either.
>
>IMHO, it seems that the only winners are the companies who hire them.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Dick Silva
>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:58 AM
>To: cryptobyte; ElephantChild; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
>/
>A thought that occurred to me is.....how do all the H-1Bs get experience
>when supposedly the U.S. is so much more technically advanced than most
>other countries?
>
>Maybe U.S. corporations do not require H-1Bs to have experience because
they
>work for so much less.
>
>As I said, just a thought.
>\
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cryptobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:28 AM
>Subject: Re: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
>><It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>>certifications, not jobs.>
>>
>>ElephantChild, I say it has alot to do " ... about getting certifications,
>>..." If you have a Certification, but no experience, what is it called or
>>what is the state, status of your certification - you are a PAPER xxxx.
>>At least, that is what is advocated by some; therefore, at least, in part,
>>this is applicable whether you are a CCNA, CCDA, CCxx, CCIE, xNx, MSxx,
>>etc. [Extended to Novell, Micrsoft, ...]
>>
>>At least with Cisco devices, at the lower end, it is hard for people to
>>beg, borrow or steal an entry level position. And then, to paraphrase,
>>they must pay there dues and proceed with their career. At the upper end,
>>sacrifice and hard work, money, prestige, status and on going work to stay
>>current.
>>
>>In that it follows the path of least resistance, Capitalism starts to
>>acquire the properties of electricity. Capitalism is a predicated on the
>>ability to produce and sell a product [or service] at the least expense
>>for the highest margin possible. If your type of services are needed and
>>you are a bono fide, card carrying CCxx, MSxx, xNx, you have expectations
>>about market value, time in industry, what you know, who you know, how
>>much you know, etc. To repeat, you have expectations of what you are
>>worth.
>>
>>What happens, since you want x money and you can't get any work because
>>you are just a PAPER xxxx at your new expertise level because joe/jane doe
>>will do the work for a fraction of what you have come to expect, probably
>>deserve and the market used to bear. [Union shops come to mind.]
>>
>>Suddenly, H1B and Certification are entwined - up to your and my neck.
>>Then, to take it a step further, what happens when an H1B starts under
>>cutting another H1B. At that point, we are all on a downward spiral - if
>>not already.
>>
>>Other than, "It's not on topic ...", please explain your position
>>ElephantChild.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>ElephantChild wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, cryptobyte wrote:
>>>
>>> > Given this venue, H1-B seems on topic. Just sharing from
>>> > Greenspun.com:LUSENET:{GICC)
>>>
>>> It's not on topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is about getting
>>> certifications, not jobs. And as for [EMAIL PROTECTED], any archive
>>> search would've shown that this was discussed before, generating much
>>> heat, little light, and no discernible change of position on either
>>> side.
>>>
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