I can only speak for myself, and as someone just starting out from the
standpoint of alot of you guys, that response will make me think before asking
what i would consider a valid question. And is validity assessed by what you
all connsider valid, or what I consider valid based on the knowledge I have
acquired so far??? We all learn at different rates and all have different
knowledge and I personally read the reply and what prompted the reply. Is it
up to anyone to judge the seriousness or the study habits of another and
actually criticize??? Being an e-mail group and filled with people trying
from all levels to suceed, I feel all questions are valid. Granted, some of
his questions were a little pointed and needed more research on his part,
but....I refuse to put myself in the position of causing a failure or success
of any individual based on what type of day I am having. I think there are
probably plenty of people who fail and all based on their own merits, without
anyone else's help to push them in that direction. But on the other side of
that coin, to encourage someone and to help them succeed and by offering
genuine help, would also refresh every ones memory in basic concepts which
harms noone, and hurts noone's feelings. And that is a very important factor.
And the last thing, I enjoy reading all responses and all questions, as this
in itself is usually a learning experience which I consider beneficial.
Heated responses dampen then. Absolutely no benefit is served.
Jennifer Cribbs
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>===== Original Message From "Robert Borejszo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
>Way to go Adrian.... Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.
>
>Robert
>
>"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Gee... must have been a really bad day huh? Can't say I disagree with
>> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people waiting
>> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
>> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made without
>any
>> hope of succeeding.
>>
>> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens who
>> have no idea what they're in for next. If you ask me, having finished
>your
>> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
>come!
>> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience, practice,
>> study - and most important of all - TIME! And if you contrast it to elite
>> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
>> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
>>
>> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools such
>> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
>lot
>> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands a
>> decent shot at it. Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by just
>> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say 20%
>> of job over 2 years in some network admin position). The CCIE written
>> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some topics.
>>
>> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
>> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never be
>> the sharpest engineer out there. For those people who are starting out
>and
>> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line for
>> you. For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice, before
>you
>> embark for the CCIE. I have a friend who started out more than two years
>> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
>holding
>> off the lab - he knows he's not ready. And that's not to say he's not
>> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in his
>> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
>doing
>> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
>>
>> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone. Unfortunately the hype has
>> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the race.
>> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
>> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass the
>> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
>(hehe!).
>> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth
>> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cisco technology is full of neat
>surprises
>> and tricks, and the world just needs more and more of us.
>>
>> Chuck, hang it there - it can be tough going, but someday soon. Thought
>for
>> the future - all IT certifications should be lab based... a one day CCNP
>> lab exam, 1/2 day CCNA lab exam - and make the MCSE a 2-day lab, that will
>> sure weed out the thousands of paper MSCEs!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrian
>>
>> ""Chuck Larrieu"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> 004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
>> >
>> > YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
>> >
>> > R
>> >
>> > A
>> >
>> > N
>> >
>> > T
>> >
>> > A
>> >
>> > N
>> >
>> > D
>> >
>> > R
>> >
>> > A
>> >
>> > V
>> >
>> > E
>> >
>> >
>> > OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a
>> number
>> > of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
>> >
>> > IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*****ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
>> DESERVE
>> > TO BECOME A F*******ING CCIE???????????
>> >
>> > The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS!!!!!!!! DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
>> pipelines,
>> > for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard
>to
>> > achieve for a reason. GET IT??????
>> >
>> > My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
>> spending
>> > all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the
>same
>> > time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
>> >
>> > RANT AND RAVE
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>> > Hubert Pun
>> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
>> > To: Cisco Study Group
>> > Subject: Lab exam
>> >
>> > Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
>> > for example, out of 100 points
>> > how many points are BGP?
>> > how many points are SNA or DLSw?
>> > how many points are IPX?
>> > how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
>> > how many points are Catalyst?
>> > what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
>> > only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
>> > how many points are ATM?
>> >
>> >
>> > I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I am
>> > not sure how update the info is.
>> >
>> > Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab? (i know that
>> > the Cisco blue print does not really have the mark distribution)
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
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