I personally think that the certifications that are vendor specific should be treated as licensing for each of the levels of each of the types of networking. Basically a CCNA is Licenced as a CCNA a CCNP licenced as a CCNP and so on through the certs and vendors. My $.02 Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Network Engineering License (long) [3:429] > Think/look very seriously at what you are saying here - licensing in those > exact fields are made as 'protection' mechanisms so only the elite can gain > entry. The simple reason you don't get floods of H-1Bs for law and medicine > is the differing standards and practices - a lawyer/doctor can practice in > most parts of the worlds, but entry into the US is far more difficult if not > impossible. Same goes for accountants. That itself degrades the value of > the license to geographics rather than merits. > > Networking is global - the Internet is global - the protocols are global. > Some sort of higher certification that is non vendor specific might be > valuable, but as a form of gauging individual merits and not any particular > government's standards. The problem with non vendor specific certification > is simply by what yardstick to measure with - many people can perform > without having to know the exact details of packet and protocol headers, > unless they're specializing in sniffer technology and packet decodes. Do > you make it such that they must have knowledge of Cisco, Nortel, 3Com, etc - > and base the content on market share? And the poor Nortel guru wouldn't > stand a chance because of lack of Cisco knowledge? > > The other question lies in where therein to build the standard for > qualification - at the 90th percentile so only the top 10% are eligible? Or > at the basic/foundational level - in which case you might end up with those > who can pass as a CCNA qualifying easily? If you set the benchmark low, > you'll get a lot of people who have potential, are learning, but will likely > made mistakes and some serious mistakes too. If you set it too high, there > would be far too few who qualify, and people will soon toss the entire thing > out - and go hire anyone - because they can't find a qualified individual. > > Networking is not like medicine and law and accounts either - case law is > based on historical data and verdicts, medicine has dealt with humans since > its inception and still deals with humans, accounts are accounts with set > standards of reporting that don't change very often. Meet networking - > where a CCIE from 2 years ago can be totally lost in some of the newer > technologies today. An IBM networking guru from a few years ago can be > totally lost in today's DLSW+ with CIPs. > > Sorry - but networking is not cut out as an old boys club. Rules change > everyday, something new is invented, something old is tossed out. Those > with years of experience and sound conceptual knowledge adapt - those with > set ABCs die like flies. If you ask me, its scary - even if you can adapt, > its constantly having to be on the edge or losing your edge! > > I will state this - those in the US sulking about H-1Bs, you live where > there is the MOST abundance of technologies and wealth to attain knowledge > of the technologies. There is no excuse if you are losing jobs to others > because of a lack of ability to match up. There is a reason there are more > CCIEs in the US and North America than in the rest of the world combined... > ease and access to the knowledge and technology. Your small home Cisco lab > could be to some people what they take a lifetime paying for a house to live > in. > > And finally, a friend of mine who runs a company in India told me that more > and more of them are choosing to stay home... apparently there are more and > more new startups with capital from other parts of the world including the > US going into the country. Cisco has CCIE labs in India and China - anyone > wondered why they chose those two countries with a HUGE population base? > Almost all chips and semiconductors are manufactured in Asia - how often > have you checked your latest toy/gadget and found it to be Made in USA? > > Economics are global, business is global - should you be afraid? Heck > yes... if you don't have what it takes to be competitive. They don't even > have to come and take away your jobs - the industry itself is finding other > ways such as outsourcing overseas. And if you think your taxes are going to > save you - hello, big industry pays taxes too plus sponsor millions into > various campaigns... do the math. > > Consider yourselves challenged. And if you think the world revolves around > Wall St, watch what happens when war breaks out in the Middle East, > earthquake takes place in Taiwan, etc (cause you can bet Wall St sure is > watching!). > > Regards, > Adrian > > wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > / > > You have a few good points, however if you look at law, medicine, and > > physiology as an example. These people are licensed and they make pretty > > good > > money. In addition you don't see the fields flooded with H-1Bs. Why > > because > > they have political clout. Perhaps some of you saw an e-mail that was > sent > > a > > few days ago where the American embassy in India was unable to verify 55% > of > > the experience and education claimed by the H-1Bs. Several memebers of > > congress are now requesting the U.S. Department of Labor to investigate. > > > > So put me down as voting for licensing. > > > > You also might want to check the following web site. www.aea.org. Its the > > American Engineering Association's web site. > > > > > > > Message Posted at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=3&i=475&t=429 > -------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the Jobs list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: > unsubscribe jobs > _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
