Do we really need fatser backplane for what we gonna it use it for ?
By the time we need 256GBPS backplane, these switches may not
able to provide we might be looking in 3 years ? I asked same question
to my manager and architech who wants to bring Extreme ? But their
argument is if Extreme supports all standards and pricing per port,
service contract is much better than why not go for faster switch ?
Extreme is like IOS and has some cool features including you do not
have 2 configs stored and you can boot to second config once you
done making changes.
Local cisco office can not even provide pricing on 256gbps backplane
upgrade and ofcourse the product itself. This mail is nothing againts Cisco
prducts, I wish Cisco had something better to offer in this case than
extreme but facts are facts.
Thanks everyone,
Inamul
"Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> hi Eddie ;
> i was waiting someone from cisco to answer the question which i raised
> yesterday ,i love to work on the Cisco products ..but alas...love is not
> enough ...wat Ton of features the Cisco switch has and extreme one doesnt
??
> this is a good point to start defeat Cisco against the young guys .
> is Cisco in the way to solve their performance problems against extreme ??
> some of the problems Extreme usually say against cisco is
>
> 1- 6509 is blocking with only 32 G backplane capacity
> 2- the second Supervisor engine is always in standby mode
> 3-the network modules cannot do local switching
> 4- layer 3 features need to add more and more hardware
> 5- 6509 is NOT 9 slots in fact is only 7
>
> i guess Cisco should have to do something to solve these problems then
there
> will not be any problem to win ANY project against the young guys
>
>
> thx
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eddie Parra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: Desai, Inamul; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> Inamul,
>
> What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your
application
> is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching
> ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a
TON
> of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need
> now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future
> feature.
>
> -Eddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Desai, Inamul
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
>
> My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch.
> We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not
> deliver test box so we had to go their lab.
>
> Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster
> than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it,
> we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders
> or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market
> share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on
> CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme.
>
>
> Inamul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM
> To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for
an
> ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar
> with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an
> easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice
to
> be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the
> biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits.
>
> FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for
putting
> you into the mindset of the exam.
>
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
> thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
al
> DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
>
> The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
recommend
> and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
> Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
> products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
>
> It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
>
> Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
Cisco
> technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> those markets.
>
> And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE
> will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs
&
> CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
>
> (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
not
> used Boson tests... :-)
>
> Bharat Suneja
>
>
> "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL...
> > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how
long
> > time this value is going to retain its bright ??
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> > >
> > >
> > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
> some
> > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is
the
> > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down
with
> a
> > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> > >
> > > andy
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi guys
> > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much
> > > more
> > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )....do u
> think
> > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
> like
> > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
> > > discuss
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mohamed
> > > >
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