Hey...isn't this the thread that went on for days a couple weeks ago and I cashed in on all the 2 cents and the 2 bobs? I'm gonna be rich! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply > Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are > the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them. > > I know that isn't true for everyone... so don't flame me but... see where > generalities get you! How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket > statement... certs don't prove anything... geez. > > Scott M. Baron > CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM > To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply > > > "certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that > statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the subject > matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become > more knowledgeable. > > Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually > (albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some willingness > to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a > foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a > passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but I > assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build upon > that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but > steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my > certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be > dangerous! <smile> > > I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional > degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area, but > they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for example, > may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard on > the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and passing > a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate the > individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an > expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes for > physicians, accountants, architects, etc. > > I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed. > Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry > ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be > respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying for > and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a > mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or professional > degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks who > obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as > there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, the > same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately intuitive, > without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT > Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always be > the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the > certs are merely paper. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE > Attorney/Law Professor (Retired) > Lifetime member of AARP > Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > The.Rock > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock > > > oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything > you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only > prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned. Having > the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets say your > 8 years old and I give you a bunch of craftsman tools, does that mean you > certainly can't handle responsibility if your a "victim". _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
