----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Larrieu" 
> You bring up several different issues here.
>
> 1) CCIE's put their pants on the same way you do
>
> 2) Cisco is a sales organization first and foremost. Those in the Cisco
> sales force have one goal and one goal only - sell you something.
>
And unfortunately it tends to take away from studytime.


> 3) Oftentimes, CCIE's end up being more marketing folks than technical
> folks. Spend all your time reading the marketing materials and going on
> sales calls, chances are you will lose your technical skills, no matter
what
> your certification.
>
You tend to learn new things everyday, unfortunately Cisco has 25 or more
distinct product areas to market. Remember the CCIE is routing and
switching, this would be two of those areas.


> 4) There are a couple of folks on this list who are not CCIE's but who
> probably know more technically than most CCIE's.
>
Everyone knows specific topics very well. Put them all in a room and each
will be able to configure a specific device, and you will end up with one
well oiled network. A single person can design and discuss a network, making
all of the pieces work as advertised may require a couple of people to bang
ideas off of each other. Being able to spot issues, is key. 80% of the time,
they are issues you've seen before. The other 20% of the time requires a
person whose 80% involved the 20% you've never seen before.

> 5) It is not unlikely that a specialist can and will know more about the
> specialty than a generalist.
>
In my office we have the standard SE who is a generalist, we then have CSE's
who are specialists. We have Video and Voice CSE's, as well as Security
CSE's. When we are in the field faced with questions of the nature that we
can't answer, we go back to our team and get the right answer.

I am hit everyday with questions I can't grasp, yet I make the effort to
turn the question into a learning experience.

David C Prall   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://dcp.dcptech.com




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