Bob-- Sorry I missed your reply -- but Baseball season has started -- minor league (commuting between Frederick (MD) Keys and Potomac (Prince William County VA) Cannons -- and my checking on "copyright" and "trademark" issues has to be subordinated to "stats" like RBI, HR ERA etc. and peanuts and soft drinks -- at least till my wife says I can't go to the games anymore!!! In any event, I will try and get to the law library to verify your assertions as to "content" and "Old Guy" references -- i.e. Age Discrimination etc.!!!! Now back to paper cert. studying - - - -. . . . Have a great day -- oops, gotta go and get my old age pills so I can stay awake to configure my routers -- and listen to the game. see ya' Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Attorney/Law Professor (Retired) Lifetime member of AARP STILL the Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Vance Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:13 AM To: CISCO_GroupStudy List (E-mail) Subject: RE: Venting about another employee [was Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply] What he said. :) I was about to fire off a missive, when I noticed that everything that I wanted to say was contained herein(after, as well :), hereinafter referred to as "content", said content solely the property of Greg, hereinafter referred to, both on and off the "list" (see section 6.2.1, subsection 3.b, paragraph 1) as "Old Guy", said content being wholly derived, thunk up, and maintained by Old Guy. All rights to content remain with Old Guy, with no liability incurred by Old Guy for any misuse, misunderstanding, or misrepresentation of said content. ------------------------------------------------- Tks | BV | Sr. Technical Consultant, SBM, A Gates/Arrow Co. Vox 770-623-3430 11455 Lakefield Dr. Fax 770-623-3429 Duluth, GA 30097-1511 ================================================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM > To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply > > > "certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that > statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the subject > matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become > more knowledgeable. > > Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually > (albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some willingness > to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a > foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a > passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but I > assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build upon > that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but > steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my > certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be > dangerous! > > I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional > degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area, but > they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for example, > may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard on > the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and passing > a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate the > individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an > expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes for > physicians, accountants, architects, etc. > > I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed. > Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry > ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be > respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying for > and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a > mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or professional > degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks who > obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as > there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, the > same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately intuitive, > without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT > Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always be > the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the > certs are merely paper. > > That's my 2 cents. > > Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE > Attorney/Law Professor (Retired) > Lifetime member of AARP > Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=904&t=904 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
