A few final points before leaving this OT topic.....
There's a 12 year old that comes to the local Linux user's group meetings
in my area. When he is 17, he will be able to say he has 5-years
experience!?! On the other hand, having experience tinkering with an OS in
your bedroom is not the same as having experience working with customers,
analyzing their requirements (which are often vague, inaccurate, and
unrealistic), troubleshooting mission-critical problems with irate
customers and bosses looking on, designing complex systems, etc.
Each individual should be judged on his/her ability to do the job. When
hiring, the ability is usually estimated by looking at experience.
I do not agree that the situation facing young people is nearly as unfair
as the situation that faced adult women trying to make the same $$s as men
the same age, but I won't get into that here. Let's get back to Cisco
questions. Let's not restart the discussion "when I was 17 I did such and
such." We've had it many times before. (Easy to say after I had my say, I
know! ;-)
Priscilla
At 12:50 AM 4/25/01, Jason J. Roysdon wrote:
>Study up and I'm sure you'll have it the next time.
>
>Regarding the age thing, experience (not just knowledge) is often a factor.
>Plus, what says you're not going to leave them as soon as you're able to
>work full time? More than likely this other employee isn't going to leave
>as fast.
>
>Don't worry, in a short while you'll have some years of "experience" under
>your belt as well (often "experience" isn't seen just as knowledge or hands
>on experience, but as years in the trenches). Just keep at it, set your
>goals and stick to them. I'd also talk with your manager and see if they
>see value to certs, and if so if you can work it into a way to get raises.
>
>But when you think about it, most likely the CCDA doesn't hold that much
>value at your current position, whereas a CCNA and CCNP would be seen as an
>asset at an ISP (unless you're out selling design solutions to customers
>like Howard, where it'd make more sense).
>
>--
>Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
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>
>
>
>""Russ Kreigh"" wrote in message
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> > I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
> > controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
> > going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
>a
> > bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
> > Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
> > significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
>am
> > just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
> > consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
> > difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of
it
> > has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
> >
> > On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
>next
> > month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
> > CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
> > experience in my job.
> >
> > The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
> > doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
>age
> > also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
> > really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
choosen
> > careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
> > co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
> > that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
> >
> > -Russ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
> >
> >
> > I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
> > it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test.
It
> > validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
> > just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
> > learning networking, design a network?
> >
> > Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
> > energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
> > believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
> > amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
> > comment out of prejudice.
> >
> > Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more
in
> > order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
> > >Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a
> > 718
> > >and i needed a 755 to pass.... Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for
a
> > >couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
>i
> > >think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN
> > >Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%.
So
>i
> > >guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and
>sample
> > >tests for me. Thanks guys.
> > >
> > >~Aaron Vose
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