I absolutely have to agree. There are ways to lay people off that is
dignified and respectful.  Then there's the way NEC BNS did it! Last week, I
was in my boss's office talking about something completely unrelated when he
says "Oh, by the way" and hands me a lay-off notice. An hour later I'm
history. NO f***** idea in the world it was gonna happen. Yeah, I'm
reallllly full of warm and fuzzy feelings now. Sure the economy sucks, I can
understand that. But, as my daddy always said, "It's the measure of a man
how he acts like when he's down. Anybody can be a good guy when times are
good!". You know what, he was right.

Now back to my rack. The best revenge is success.

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> This is an addendum to a previous post.  Somebody asked about for opinions
> about Cisco's announced layoffs of 8500 people.
>
> I responded that every tech company is going through hell right now, but
> Cisco had the forethought and compassion to offer 6 months severance (2
> months automatic, an additional 4 if you sign their severance agreement),
> which stands in stark contrast to certain other companies who not only
gave
> no severance, but declared bankruptcy while still owing backpay and
expenses
> to employees (the Web consulting company Marchfirst immediately comes to
> mind - the bankruptcy judge of that case has even declared that employees
> who are owed backpay/expenses have to get in line behind the major
> creditors, so you know those employeers are going to get nothing).  Then
> there are stories of people getting severance checks that bounced,
companies
> laying off people in violation of the Federal WARN labor laws,  companies
> giving job offers and then trying to retroactively withdraw the offer
after
> the offer was accepted (presumably the candidate had turned down other
> competing offers to take the offer which is now being withdrawn),  etc.
etc.
>
> If you're going to have to lay off people, offering 6 months severance
seems
> to be a more-than-compassionate way to do it.  Several other posters
talked
> about similar deals offered by Nortel and other companies when they laid
> people off.  So it's pretty clear that some companies have positioned
> themselves as 'the good guys' (as opposed to other companies who have
> clearly shown themselves to be the 'bad guys'), so that they will be the
> employer-of-choice when the economy picks up again.  These companies have
> tried to preserve goodwill among the networking community so that they
will
> have little problem in hiring again.
>
> While I am not trying to downplay the pain that those  laid-off Cisco or
> Nortel employees must be feeling,  on the other hand, they could have been
> working for one of those www.fuc*edcompany.com employers like Marchfirst.
>
>  Well, to build up even more goodwil, recently, it was announced that John
> Chambers is cutting his salary to $1.  The chairman (forgot his name) is
> also cutting his salary to $1.  The management stated that since so much
> cost-cutting was going on at Cisco, management should share in the pain.
>
> I don't begrudge company execs getting rich when times are good, but it is
> so refreshing to see execs sharing in the bad times.  A world of
difference
> from the usual M.O., where execs slash thousands of jobs and still reap
> their millions.  As stated in fuc*edcompanyL "These guys seem to have
worked
> out that you don't have to be an as*hole to make money. Bravo. About
fuc*ing
> time someone got a clue"
>
> Now some of you may be thinking that the $1 salary  is just a Cisco
> publicity stunt.  Sure, maybe so.
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